EE Canberra and Martin B-57

[kitnut617]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a GIB? 

IIRC --  Guy In Back

[PR19_Kit]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a GIB? 

IIRC --  Guy In Back

Or in the case of a PR9, GIF

(He sits in the 'coalhole in a PR9, behind the sideways opening nose hatch)

[Shasper]

Ooh, I must be sleep deprived . . . *ponders the term GIB/GIF*

Back in the day I wanted to do a Trop Moon IV of sorts based on a B-57G/PR.9 cross, wingtip slipper tanks, fuel cell in the rear of the weapons bay & a rack of LGBs up front, external pylons for more LGBs or other goodies . . . When not used as a striker the a/c would be a PR/ELINT with camera pallets & other recon essentials taking up the weaps bay & hung externally.


Shas b)

[overscan]

Just a idea for markings - The UK was seriously considering sale of 16-24 Canberras to Portugal in 1962. We were concerned they might get used to repress people in Portuguese African colonies, so wanted a public statement they would only be used for defending Portugal.

[bexwh773]

Weaver, please forgive me, but, the T11 was an AIRPASS Radar trainer not a pilot trainer, that was the T4, but because of the lack of space in a Canberra airframe, unless you redesign the fuselage diameter, other than another pilot & pilot type equipment ala T4, you could not physically get a Nav / EWO in that area, hence the T17 had the Nav & EWO side by side behind the pilot.
As I say please forgive my post, Im a bit of Cranberry Geek and Ive virtually digested anything related to Cranberrys 

Darryl, heres a 72nd Canberra B6 with a T17 nose & MAD Boom sticking out her rear end.......
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,22104.0.html

Bex

[Mossie]

Ive virtually digested anything related to Cranberrys 

Bex

You must have very healthy 'water' then Bex!!!

[Daryl J.]

Even though it may be disrespectful to the British, an unmanned Canberra would look pretty decent too either as a PR.UAV or as a guided missile even possibly featuring an extended daisy cutter out front (why put it there?.....I have no idea....but why not).   


Also, did the 4 engined conversion of the 1/48 Airfix kit ever get completed?

Bex, thanks for the link.   Your Cranberry knowledge is impressive.  Will you write a book or leaflet on it some day?




Daryl J.

[bexwh773]

Even though it may be disrespectful to the British, an unmanned Canberra would look pretty decent too either as a PR.UAV or as a guided missile even possibly featuring an extended daisy cutter out front (why put it there?.....I have no idea....but why not).   


Also, did the 4 engined conversion of the 1/48 Airfix kit ever get completed?

Bex, thanks for the link.   Your Cranberry knowledge is impressive.  Will you write a book or leaflet on it some day?




Daryl J.

Mossie, I walked right into that one didnt I     

Daryl, youre most welcome    Thinking about it, I could well write a book, I certainly know where to look and I know whats already been done.

Oh one final thing, we did have unmanned Canberra's, the U.10 for the RAF for missile trials in Australia, and the Royal Navy had U.14's to shoot at from their rowing boats 

Bex

[Daryl J.]

^^^^

Very cool.   I was thinking canopy removed and faired over with electronic lumps and bumps in place.


Daryl J.

[bexwh773]

^^^^

Very cool.   I was thinking canopy removed and faired over with electronic lumps and bumps in place.


Daryl J.

Now that would be both very interesting and different 
Bex

[Daryl J.]

Some documentary had a Canberra pilot describe the PR.9 as the finest of the Canberras.   Why is that?    Did it simply fly the best of the bunch, did it have certain capabilities other variants lacked, was it simply pilot pride for his mount?   

There are a couple of Whiff ideas in mind for the PR.9 and don't really want to goof up the theory behind it as this is about as much as I'm willing to spend on any kit even for scale modeling.

TIA,

Daryl J., who didn't know where to post the question on Britmodeler because of being too new to the site.

[PR19_Kit]

Daryl,

The PR9 had more powerful engines, marginally larger wings and fully powered controls, thus making it the ultimate Canberra as far as the RAF was concerned.

The aircraft was capable of operating at 65000 ft, but in RAF service tended to be limited to 60000 ft because of the pilot's limits. Sharing the offset bubble canopy with the B(I)8, the PR9 had a much better view as well, although the Nav, in his 'coal hole' in the nose might have some arguements there....

[Daryl J.]

Just put in an order for the Airfix B-57B for a role in the upcoming anti piracy protection company hired to patrol the waters off the coast of Somalia.   We are going to suppose there are a few medium time airframes still in existance that get an appropriate retrofit.   Winglets, gun packs, gps, possibly extra fuel, etc.   
,
Daryl J.

[kitnut617]

Some documentary had a Canberra pilot describe the PR.9 as the finest of the Canberras.   Why is that?    Did it simply fly the best of the bunch, did it have certain capabilities other variants lacked, was it simply pilot pride for his mount?   

According to John Adams (Aeroclub Owner) the PR.9 was the 'GT' of all the Canberras

[PR19_Kit]

[Name dropping mode on....]

While I was talking with Sqdn. Ldr. Terry Cairns, 39 (1PRU) Sqdn's display pilot for the last years of the PR9, he said that the PR9 was so powerful, even at max. weight, that he rarely needed more than 80% power to take-off, and as soon as the aircraft was airborne it was vital to get the wheels up and pitch up sharply to avoid exceeding the max. permissable speed for the gear to be retracted.

Seeing him sling a PR9 (preferably XH131...  ) around the sky as if it was a Hawk or Typhoon was quite a sight, one not to be seen for some while I suspect, more's the pity. And he's only 4 years younger than me for goodness sake! Terry and the Canberra both retired from the RAF at the same time, jobs well done.

And the best thing he said to me on that occasion, at RIAT 2005?

'I suppose you'd like to sit in the cockpit, wouldn't you?' 

[Name dropping mode off...]