EE Canberra and Martin B-57

Daryl J. · April 30, 2009, 04:15:29 PM

I've thought of a PR.9 Whiff and B-57 Whiff as some sort of hi-lo team.

Daryl J.

Daryl J. · June 11, 2009, 06:07:22 PM

Is there any major reason the Canberra fuselage cannot be stretched?

TIA,
Daryl J.

PR19_Kit · June 11, 2009, 06:16:12 PM

Daryl,

The only problem I could see would be the tail hitting the ground on rotation. It already has a bumper there to help that, but a long stretch would need longer landing gear, and the engines moved outboard to give the gear clearance to retract.

Both trifling problems to a man of your abilities of course........

Mossie · June 12, 2009, 03:21:16 AM

How about a swept Canberra variant? I'm thinking Yak-25/27/28 alike here, both bomber & fighter variant. The P.12 was the proposed fighter variant, that might suit a swept wing. Wing spar problems would surface, but not impossible? Taking it further, how about a delta?

Jeffry Fontaine · June 12, 2009, 04:32:33 PM

Quote from: Mossie on June 12, 2009, 03:21:16 AMHow about a swept Canberra variant? I'm thinking Yak-25/27/28 alike here, both bomber & fighter variant. The P.12 was the proposed fighter variant, that might suit a swept wing. Wing spar problems would surface, but not impossible? Taking it further, how about a delta?

Or how about a Canberra with the engines snuggled up next to the fuselage? Give it bicycle landing gear and a pair of outrigger wheels.

pyro-manic · June 13, 2009, 04:09:57 PM

How about retracting forwards/backwards into A-10/Harrier-style pods? More space inside the wing for fuel, and more outside for underwing pylons as well.

The Rat · August 09, 2009, 06:30:11 AM

Quote from: TsrJoe on January 15, 2008, 08:59:30 AM
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,11825.30.html

a few possibles, eg, passenger (real project), flying boat (pre project), floatplane, etc. i like the turboprop ideas too tho, a few others my dad put together are a passenger flying boat (very 1950's!) and a swept wing type too (Martin aircraft also played with a similar design development for the B.57!)

cheers, Joe

How the H E double-hockey-sticks did I miss that post? A Canberra with a hull?! Any more pics Joe? I tinkered with the idea myself (predictably, given my history around here

), but to actually see one is whiffgasmic!

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GTX · August 22, 2009, 02:52:25 PM

Has anyone ever considered doing one of the early Canberra ideas with buried engines:

Regards,

Greg

MAD · August 22, 2009, 05:54:56 PM

Quote from: apophenia on June 13, 2009, 02:50:33 PM
Or engines snuggled up but with outward retracting main gear?

Looks almost like CF-100 Canuck style!

M.A.D

Daryl J. · September 07, 2009, 08:31:23 PM

Does any kit out there have either 1/72 or 1/48 Red Dean missiles?

TIA,
Daryl J.

Mossie · September 08, 2009, 01:38:23 AM

Not likely since it didn't enter service. Thorvic has scratched some for some of his projects, he'll be able to tell you how he went about them.

Weaver · September 08, 2009, 02:04:38 AM

Bear in mind that Red Dean changed a LOT during it's development: the final Vickers version was twice the size and weight of the original Folland one. To give you an idea, the Vickers version was about the length, weight and body diameter of an Exocet, but with much bigger wings....

rickshaw · September 08, 2009, 03:01:24 AM

I'm intending to make some by scale-a-rama (I believe thats the term). I've found that by comparing lengths and diameters its possible to use different scale missiles in the scale I want. Just need to add the fins.

Mossie · September 08, 2009, 06:35:03 AM

The body of Martel would make a good basis, it's about the same size & shape. You'd just need to re-work the nose.

Mossie · September 08, 2009, 01:46:10 PM

I've just been reading through BSP Bombers again for the upteenth time & I came across a few snippets for Canberra in the appendices. I've qouted them word for word from the book:

P.2 Intruder variant of Canberra, 18.5.50.

P.4 Canberra bomber development with redesigned nose, 2.5.51.

P.28 Canberra low level subsonic strike with clipped wings, 1958. Based on B(I). Mk.8 airframe with fighter-type canopy. P.28A span 52ft (15.8m), P.28B 41ft (12.5m), bomb load 10,000lb (4536kg), 500gal (2,274lit) tip tanks. In April 1965 (same week TSR.2 dropped) BAC produced P.28MOD - major revision of project with Spey engines, TSR.2's forward looking terrain-following radar and large mix of underwing weapons including anit-shipping & air to air missiles. Span 57ft (17.4m), length 72ft (21.9m), maximum take off weight 60,000lb (27,216kg), bomb load 10,000lb. Both refurbished & new build aircraft planned.

The most interesting for me is P.26MOD, upgrading the Canberra to slot into the gap left by the TSR.2. It's also made me think of another possibility. Detractors of the MRCA/Tornado program called it 'Must Re-fit Canberra Again'. Taking that at face value, what kind of mods would be needed for the Canberra to follow on from Tornado???