EE Canberra and Martin B-57

[Davey B]

Well, English Electric proposed a fighter version of the B(I).8, so how about they made a few modifications in concert with Martin?

Sydney F.1 of 5 Squadron maybe?  :dum:  

[Ian the Kiwi Herder]

E Bay sent me a Frog B(I)8 Canberra.

I thought about an Israel Air Force version, a Rhodesian one and a Canadian.

Israel - Lt Stone, Lichen Green, Dark Earth and Extra Dark Sea Grey undersides (night interdictor y'see)
Rhodesia - Dark Green, Dark Earth and Azure Blue undersides
Canadian - Any ideas

Haven't got any decals for a 1960's era Canadian machine though !

Any other ideas guys

I H-G

[nev]

Saudi in NMF or Tornado camo?

50s/60s Iraq?

Jordan?

[Bryan H.]

A Canadian Canberra absolutely must be highly, polished bare-metal with the red & white Canadian lightning bolt down the side.  B)

Bryan

[upnorth]

A Canadian Canberra absolutely must be highly, polished bare-metal with the red & white Canadian lightning bolt down the side.  B)

Bryan

Generally I'd agree with that and add to it dayglo wing and tail markings in case it goes down in the arctic. I could easily see the Canberra pulling a lot of the duties that the T-33 did in the Canadian  forces.

A second though for the Canberra in Canadian service is to add some lumps and bumps and try to find some 414 Sqn markings and put it in ECM and ELINT duties. (As for the decals on that one, if Arrow Graphics are still around, I think they had a 1/72 set for CF-100 MK.5Ds of 414 service that should fit a Canberra reasonable well.


Beyond Canadian service:

JASDF in that funky camo they put on the Mitsubishi F-1s

Nigerian in the same camo they put on their Sepecat Jaguars

U.S Coast Guard

[The Rat]

How about trying to snag another and making a Thunder? Not sure if I will ever get around to it.



The idea was put forward in this post - Double E Strike Force

Get Dork to scrounge one for you, he's well rested!  ^_^  

[Ian the Kiwi Herder]

Looks like I've let the genie out of the bottle again..... OK guys, let's keep it goin'. At the moment I'm getting very excited about a Dutch one - Got loads of national & squadron markings courtesy of all those bl**dy Revell Hunters I keep buying.

How's about a B(I)8 Canberra in NATO Green/Grey with PRU Blue undersides and pale blue UN bands around the wings and fuselage..... Whaddya'll think ??

I H-G

[XV107]

Sounds good - or if not, how about a West German one? B(I)8 entered service just in time to be the first ground attack type with the newly-formed Luftwaffe.

Belgian? Perhaps as part of an early incarnation of the F-16 buying group - so as well as Belgian (naturally enough, these saw action in the Congo in 1964-ish...) and Dutch, you could have Norwegian and Danish aircraft as well (all over dark dreen for the Danes, similar to the F-100 and their F-35 Drakens [note to USAF/USN/USMC - that designation has been used before...]).

Swedish? Bought as part of the deal that saw Hunters join the RSAF and used as an interim attack aircraft while the Lansen was being developed (or just as part of the deal that in reality took 2 ex-RAF B2s there) ?

[retro_seventies]

i DO like the turboprop idea - how about a nice SEA cammo one with two turboprops (think trent meteor), RVNAF 1969?

in a scale-o-rama idea, open 2 seat cockpit from a 1/48 prop plane, no engines, paint it in RAF air experience flight glider colours (maybe 633 vgs at cosford? many a happy day spent in their slingsby ventures)

 :dum:

[K5054NZ]

RAAF and/or RNZAF would be great....except for the fact we actually operated them....perhaps modernized RNZAF aircraft as a whif? Ideas for that?

[Geoff_B]

Well supposing the Brits & French had managed to co-operate during the late 40's early 50's (I know - but this is a WIF right !) and the French purchase some Canberra's for use in their medium bomber and/or interdiction squadrons ? I have plans for the second part of this co-operation which is a RAF Vautour fitted out for shipping strike duties with those very early AS missiles. I'm now thinking of a Canberra in Aeronvale markings  B)

Chris - who will go and get his coat now

France did have a couple of Canberras for test and development aircraft, just not used as an operational aircraft. But the medium bombers of the Canberra and Vantour ilk would be rather nice as a NATO medium bomber.

Ian How about using the B-8 in the Fradu role for the Royal Navy or as maritime Strike as part of Coastal Command  based at Kinloss. Armed with either Bullpup or AS-30 and painted in a more Shack style scheme.

G

[F-32]

Spannish, used for anti-shipping strikes. ^_^

Originally with the airforce in the standard camouflage scheme but then transfered to the Navy and painted gloss light grey tops with gloss white undersides and full colour roundels.

[TsrJoe]

... a paragraph in Derek N. James's, 'Spirit of Hamble, Folland Aircraft' mentions a design proposed by Edward Petter (Westland/EE./Folland)

p.19... a modified Canberra with swept wings  and rear fuselage mounted engines, which he thought could be built by Hindustan aircraft Ltd.!

unfortunately nothing further is mentioned within the book nor iv noted in any volumes dealing with the Canberra, the only swept wing derivatives iv found being the Martin 'B.57B Super Canberra' (ga. and sketch in Robert C. Mikesh's, 'B.57 Canberra at War'), and the Handley Page HP.113 mentioned elsewhere in the forum (swept wings and rear fuselage engines but actually unrelated to the Canberra)

anyoe know anything further on this proposal?

cheers, Joe    

[jcf]

According to the Putnam "English Electric Aircraft and Their Predecessors" and Tony Buttler's "British Secret Projects: Jet Fighters since 1950" EE project P.19 was an interceptor variant of the Lightning.

The Canberra projects listed are as follows:
P.2 Bomber intruder variant.
P.4 Redesigned nose.
P.12 All-weather fighter.
P.13 Guided weapon target.
P.16 Night fighter for the Indian Air Force.
P.28 Clipped wing low-level subsonic strike; P.28A span 52', P.28B span 41'. After the TSR.2 was axed BAC put forth the P.28MOD with TSR.2's forward looking terrain avoidance radar and various underwing stores.
P.47 STOL Canberra study.

I couldn't find anything on swept wing developments of the Canberra, although EE's jet airliner studies that started with a civil conversion of the Canberra did culminate in a pair of sweptwing, aft-mounted podded-engine designs, the P.32 and P.40.

Cheers, Jon

[TsrJoe]

ah oops, sorry Jon, i ment to note 'page 19' my apologies  

do you know of any illustrations of the civil projects you mention?

I am familiar with the 'fat fuselaged' passenger Canberra proposal but havent seen any other designs stemming from it?

cheers, Joe