Me 410H

[gooberliberation]

Ive got an italeri 410 thats been begging to be built for the past few years. I'm wanting to do something a little bizzare to it(you know... luftwaffe bizzare). Perhaps an uber-high altitude(55,000ft+/17,000m+) bomber-destroyer, taking potshots at formations below, above reach of escort fighters.

I'm thinking....

Itty bitty bubble cockpit with thick framing.

Third engine driving compressor in fuselage, evidenced by exhausts and radiator tacked on.

Downward-firing gun turret, with bigass gun.

Loooong wingtip extensions

Perhaps a remote control gliding "flak bomb" to attack bombers below(idea came to me in a dream, seriously :dum: )


Whatchall think? any suggestions?

[grayman]

If this is anything like the Italeri '210, then it is a sweet model.

Have you considered the addition of a jet engine, either in the tail, or perhaps on the wingtips (ramjets maybe?). Then again, perhaps the germans masy have developed a compound turbo jet, using the Benzes as compressors to supply a turbine at the end of each nacelle.

Or perhaps the problems of the dual DBs in the He-177 were solved and fitted to the '410 (larger nacelle, four-bladed props, or perhaps contra props).

A possibility for late-war is hanging a couple of AAMs under the outer wings. For high-alt work, a wing insert to extend the span (a la Ta-182?) would help. Possibly a nose-extension to allow the installation of an intercept radar. I'll stop now, getting carried away

Hope this helps.

Got my Ta's mixed up -- I meant the Ta 152, Fw-190 derivative  

[Archibald]

Personnally I would add two turbojets (from a Me-262 obviously) in pods, a longer span, abnd heavy armement (A2A rockets, 50mm guns and the like).
Why not a kind or radar pod underwing ?  

[gooberliberation]

I might need a bigger plane.

Im not sure about using podded jets from a 262, although that would incidentally provide a ready source of pointy wingtip extensions.

If I do keep the third engine, I suppose the compressor could feed a small thermojet in the tail, for boosts to get up to altitude.

Radar? sounds good to me.

Hopefully this thing won't get too practical. Im trying to stick with a harebraned-crazy-just-barely-works-desperation piece of aircraft.

[ysi_maniac]

Personnally I would add two turbojets (from a Me-262 obviously) in pods, a longer span, abnd heavy armement (A2A rockets, 50mm guns and the like).
Why not a kind or radar pod underwing ?

I like this power plant but the role must be high altitude bomber with nuclear capability  

[jcf]

Here's an image I posted in an earlier thread:


An actual Messerschmitt notion for putting BMW 003s on a 410, either singly or a pair...although I suppose one could mount three.

Cheers, Jon

[ysi_maniac]

Here's an image I posted in an earlier thread:


An actual Messerschmitt notion for putting BMW 003s on a 410, either singly or a pair...although I suppose one could mount three.

Cheers, Jon

         

[Son of Damian]

I would get rid of the gunner in the back along with the defensive guns on the fuselage.

Play around with the engines to make them look they are made for high altitude. Add a fourth prop, add another super charger intake, increase the size of the radiators, and maybe add another exhaust on the top rear of the engine nacelle. And if you really want to do a high flying bird you could add an exhaust-driven turbosupercharger like that used on the Bv 155.

For fun I would add a rocket under the tail to help get to altitude, kind a like the one here on this Ar 234R. Or if you want you could use a rocket more like the Heimatschutzer I from Antares Models.

To make the armament interesting I would go with the revolving rocket launcher in the nose that the Germans experimented with. I saw several months ago (probably closer to a year or more) that somebody had made an after market kit for the launcher but I can't find it know. Though I'm pretty sure that it was at one of the modeling sites linked to luft46.com.

R4M rockets or more of the large WGr rockets under the wings would be pretty sweet, and I definately would go with some sort of gun back under the fuselage.

If you are looking for a camo scheme maybe this will inspire you.

[upnorth]

How about the world's first turboprop fighter, really crude though:

You could replace the nacelles with longer jet type pods, close off the back ends, stick props on the fronts and exhaust pipes off the sides somewhere.

Of course at this stage, the turboprop is more theory than practical, but the Luftwaffe's desperation drives its premature introduction into usage, flying the turboprop fighter in actual combat proved nearly suicidal as throttle control was unpredictable and the gearing system to bring the jet RPMs down to a usable prop speed was even more unpredictable and very prone to catastrophic component failures in high stress combat situations.

The turboprop 410 was quickly retasked to the high altitude reccon role with the Luftwaffe and the maritime surveillance role with the Kriegsmarine. The primary modifications were the removal of all armaments to accomodate camera equipment and the substantial extension of the wings.

While still not completely reliable, the turboprop was much more predicatable in the calmer flying environment of the reccon world.

[jcf]

Now, now boys seems like you've all been in contact with Der Luft-overmind.

Me 410D, increased span for high altitude work in fast-bomber, destroyer  and recce versions.
DB 603E/F:


Daimler-Benz/Heinkel-Hirth Turboprop:


Cheers, Jon

[jcf]

...and the ultimate Me 410 mod project, the Lippisch P 10:

For those into somewhat outre weaponry...R4M launchers from the book "German Aircraft Weapons:WWI-WWII" by Hoffschmidt, WE Inc., 1969:

BTW Wooksta "Bf 110, Me 210, Me 410" by Mankau and Petrick lists DB 603 G engines for the Me 410H.

Cheers, Jon

[Daryl J.]

High altitude wing tips from the engines outboard coupled with a fairly slender, slightly oversized butterfly tail would really grab attention too, yes?




Daryl J.

[John Howling Mouse]

Here's something weird I did to an old 1:72 Me-110----turned it into a modern COIN bird for a role like a Pucara.  I called it an Embraer EMB-932C.  Maybe you could kitbash a "sister design" out of the Me-410?

[rallymodeller]

JHM. No, seriously, dude...


COIN! SWEET!!!!    

Ah, COIN/CAS/BAI. My kryptonite...

[ysi_maniac]

Here's something weird I did to an old 1:72 Me-110----turned it into a modern COIN bird for a role like a Pucara.  I called it an Embraer EMB-932C.  Maybe you could kitbash a "sister design" out of the Me-410?

Has your psychoanalysts seen this?