Dragon (DML)

Alvis 3.14159 · February 02, 2011, 09:30:41 AM

Quote from: The Wooksta! on January 31, 2011, 01:47:39 AM
Their aircraft kits are a pain to build - the Ta 152s and Ar 234s are vile fits. Any UK price tag is likely to be eyes, sockets plus and arm and a leg.

I wouldn't say they're worth the money but then for the UK buyer, NONE of the far east kits are currently worth the money given the extortionate prices being charged now. Certainly Hasegawa or Dragon. Those who say they are have more money than sense.

I had the "priviledge" of building not one but two of the Dragon 1/72 TA-152s....Beautiful detail, certainly seemed accurate, but the breakdown of the engine cowling defied any attempt to assemble without swearing, cowling collapse, more swearing, repairing, cursing, swearing, learning German so I could swear in German AT the model, kicking the table leg repeatedly, and finally total annoyance and exasperation. Massive PITA! I'll never ever build another, even for money.

Alvis Pi

ChernayaAkula · February 02, 2011, 11:43:26 AM

Quote from: ChernayaAkula on February 02, 2011, 09:15:17 AM
Some of Dragon's announcements for the Nuremberg Toy Fair: CLICKY!

The usual suspects regarding tanks, but 1/48 gets a D.H. Sea Venom FAW.21 and Blackburn Buccaneer S.2!

Apparently, someone on Hyperscale noted that Dragon's 1/48 aircraft have product numbers in the 5500+ range, while 5000+ are 1/72 kits. Therefore it might be possible that the two above are actually 1/72 kits.
Personally, I'd be a happy camper if they turned out to be 1/72.

The Wooksta! · February 02, 2011, 11:48:51 AM

Not when you see the price. They're going to be pricey indeed.

ChernayaAkula · February 02, 2011, 12:00:01 PM

Even then. Considering most shops round 'ere want around 15 EUR for the recent Airfix re-pop, I'd be happy to spend 20 or even 25 EUR for a decent Bucc.

Thorvic · February 02, 2011, 12:09:09 PM

Hmmn from a Ship modellers point of view, there is nothing new there from Cyber hobby, just the Albany which was announced last year and a repop of the LCS-2 as LCS-4 . Last year we had Virginia, LCS-2, Daring & Long Beach.

On the plus side perhaps Cyberhobby will get their Aircraft range out as thier releases compared to their announced kits was woeful - Just the Meteor, and the Hellcat & Helldiver are due anytime now !

proditor · February 02, 2011, 12:19:42 PM

Quote from: Thorvic on February 02, 2011, 12:09:09 PM
Hmmn from a Ship modellers point of view, there is nothing new there from Cyber hobby, just the Albany which was announced last year and a repop of the LCS-2 as LCS-4 . Last year we had Virginia, LCS-2, Daring & Long Beach.

On the plus side perhaps Cyberhobby will get their Aircraft range out as thier releases compared to their announced kits was woeful - Just the Meteor, and the Hellcat & Helldiver are due anytime now !

Only thing that annoyed me about LCS-4 was that it included pretty much everything I was going to scratch on to my LCS-2. $:-\$

ChernayaAkula · February 03, 2011, 02:31:06 PM

WOOHOO!

Dragon have corrected the scale of the Bucc and Sea Venom. They're now in 1/72, the One True Scale^TM! CLICKY!

The Wooksta! · February 03, 2011, 02:59:10 PM

Refer back to my earlier post re price. Eyes, sockets, kidneys.

PR19_Kit · February 03, 2011, 04:03:24 PM

Quote from: ChernayaAkula on February 03, 2011, 02:31:06 PM
WOOHOO! Dragon have corrected the scale of the Bucc and Sea Venom. They're now in 1/72, the One True Scale^TM! CLICKY!

Now THAT sounds promising! I'll get on to the World Bank immediately........

rickshaw · February 03, 2011, 04:20:43 PM

Why a Buccaneer S.2? Why not an S.1?

PR19_Kit · February 03, 2011, 04:29:39 PM

Perhaps an S2 is easier to convert to an S1 than vice versa? Plus there were more S2s than S1s and it can be done as FAA or RAF versions, whereas the S1 was only in the FAA.

pyro-manic · February 03, 2011, 05:16:19 PM

Quote from: ChernayaAkula on February 02, 2011, 12:00:01 PM
Even then. Considering most shops round 'ere want around 15 EUR for the recent Airfix re-pop, I'd be happy to spend 20 or even 25 EUR for a decent Bucc.

I'd say double that would be closer to the mark...

rickshaw · February 06, 2011, 04:13:13 PM

Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 03, 2011, 04:29:39 PM
Perhaps an S2 is easier to convert to an S1 than vice versa? Plus there were more S2s than S1s and it can be done as FAA or RAF versions, whereas the S1 was only in the FAA.

I realise that. It just seems we have oodles of some aircraft and none of others...

Will they get the nose right on this one?

Maverick · February 06, 2011, 04:57:36 PM

I think it also boils down to the 'popularity' of a given type. We'll always see P-51s for instance over P-38s and in the same instance P-51Ds over P-51Bs. It all boils down to saleability and the lack of cohones on the part of most mainstream manufacturers to release something exotic. Obviously the financial impact is such that they won't take the risk.

Regards,

Mav

ChernayaAkula · February 06, 2011, 10:15:21 PM

1/72 Buccs isn't exactly something we have oodles of. Certainly not up to current industry standards ones. EDIT: Added the "current" as I forgot it earlier on. END OF EDIT
If an S.1 can be made by including a small extra sprue with the conversion bits, I'd say they'll go for it (sooner or later).

Quote from: Maverick on February 06, 2011, 04:57:36 PM<...> It all boils down to saleability and the lack of cohones on the part of most mainstream manufacturers to release something exotic. Obviously the financial impact is such that they won't take the risk.
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So it's not the lack of cohones of the manufacturers, but rather the lack of cohones of the buyers.

As a manufacturer, why sink tens of thousands of bucks in a kit that you know will not be bought?
Revell had the cohones to release a state of the art Hunter in 1/72 . And what happened? It bit them in the donkey! Sales were much lower than anticipated. Eduard gave us a very nice Mirage IIIC in 1/48. What happened? Sales were so poor they skipped the IIIE.