If You Could Time Transport And Become....

[roughneck06]

If you could time transport and become.... an advisor or a Staff Officer ( say- G3 Operations type )- When and where would you time transport to when, where, who's your boss and what would you try to advise/influence/change??

I have an idea or 2 for myself- but I'll hold off until I've given it soem more thought.

One idea however- You're w/ ADM Halsey.... get him to Form Battle Line w/ TF 34 plus 1 Carrier Task group to cover the Surgario Strait and go after Ozama and his carriers to the North. ( IMHO- had he done so- destruction of both Kurita's Force and Ozama's.... becoming the greatest ADM in US History).

I am truly looking forward to everyone's thoughts and ideas.... through the span of history!

[AeroplaneDriver]

I'd be tempted to go back about 7-8 years to save the Royal Navy.

To go a bit further back, I think Hasting s would be something to see.  Not sure if I would want to advise or influence the battle though.  It would be easy to run over and yell "Hey Harold, DUCK!", but how would history have turned out if William had been the Conqoree?  Or even if he won, but Harold survived?

[Zen]

William is unlikely to win if Harold survives, all he need do is head north and raise another army to sweep William off the land.

What made Williams conquest possible is the English state aparatus and the disunity among the major Earls after Harolds death.

[Archibald]

I would  come  back to 1959 and kill Diefenbacker
I would  come  back to 1964 and kill Wilson and Mountbatten

I would come back to 18th december 1975, and kill VGE.

Arrow, TSR-2 and Mirage 4000 saved. HURRAAAAAAAAH!!!

[Zen]

No kill Nasser in 1956, then they might come about.

[dragon]

1994- Advise Venezuelan President Rafael Caldera to let cashiered Lt. Col. Hugo Chavez rot in jail for his 1992 Coup attempts.  

Result= a lot less entropy in Latin America these days.

1950s (not sure which year)- Advise the New York Yankees to sign up that Cuban pitcher named Fidel Castro.  

Result= Fidel Castro becomes rich as a phenomenal pitcher for the New York Yankees.  He manages to win several awards and retires to become their coach and eventually becoming a US citizen.  In 1980 he becomes the team owner.  

Early 1900s- Advise renowned French Chef August Escoffier to take a young Vietnamese (Indochine in those days) cook named Ho Chi Minh under his wing as his protegee and teach him everything about cooking that he knows.  

Result= Ho Chi Minh is too busy being the Celebrity Chef of the day to be reading Marx and Engels.  He dies a rich man with his Indochine restaurants consistently having 5 stars on the Guide Michelin for decades.  The only ones who remember him as a tyrant are his sous-chefs, sauciers, and the waiter staff.

1920s- Advise the admissions board of a certain German Art Academy to allow entry of a World War I veteran named Adolf Hitler into the academy.  

Result= He then becomes an artist and lives out the rest of his days in bohemian lifestyle.  He is found dead in his apartment in Berlin, his death due to autoerotic asphyxiation, among empty bottles of absynthe.  

1941 July- Advise Admiral Husband Kimmel (Commander in Chief of the Pearl Harbour Naval Base) that it would be a good idea to run readiness drills, to spread out all his military assets, and to follow international news closely.  

Result= While there is some damage in Pearl Harbour Naval base, the Japanese attack is repulsed.  Admiral Kimmel sends an urgent message to his friend (and best man at his wedding) Admiral Halsey to pursue the fleeing Japanese with the Aircraft carriers.  Meanwhile the US fleet steams out of Pearl Harbour like angry hornets to join in the pursuit.  Halsey fixes the Japanese fleet in place with his aircraft and proves the superiority of the Aircraft Carrier.  This allows the battleships to catch up to the Japanese fleet.  The Japanese fleet gets bombarded by both gunfire and aircraft ordnance.

[B777LR]

Ok, here is my......different world  Its just so more interesting if someone else won the war

1933 keep hitler from killing jews.
1939 Make hitler complete more bismark class ships and aircraft carriers
1940 Make hitler keep attacking RAF, not london
1941 Prevent hitlers invasion of the soviet union, so rommels afrika korps could take control of the middle east, THEN attack the soviet union!
1941 Stop japan from invading further countries, and keep outta WW2.
1941 Keep hitler from declaring war on USA
1942 "accidently" forget to fill hitlers plane with fuel Plane and dictator never seen again  I be "furer"
1943 start invasion of england, with the help of the irish army
1944 Make rommel chief of the german forces in europe
1946 Begin aerial bombardment of eastern USA, using V3 missiles
1947 invasion of soviet union. Moscow and major cities bombarded by orbital bombers!
1947 Introduction of the new super tank, "Maus". First used in the german advance through tjechnia
1948: Fall of moscow
1948 A nuclear bomb is dropped in new york
1949 Greenland, iceland is invaded
1949 invasion of canada begins
1950 invasion begins in florida
1950 japan joins WW2, invasion various places in western USA
1951 US, canadian, mexican, australian and british forces are forced to withdraw to south america
1951 rommel pursues the allies in a chase right down to rio de geneiro
1952 Invasion begins at montevideo, argentina joins axis
1953 Falklands falls to argentinian forces
1955 Soviet Union falls
1956 Allied forces evacuate to australia, allies stage a massive invasion in south africa. New zealand is overrun by Japanese and vietnamese soldiers
1957 australia falls
1958 south africa falls. World is completely nazi-japanese dominated. 200 civil wars break out  Result, world as we know it today.

[retro_seventies]

*sigh*    

[AeroplaneDriver]

This could be an interesting history thread if given a chance.  Lets not detour it into a "who  I would kill" thread.

[B777LR]

Lets not detour it into a "who  I would kill" thread.

Instead, lets make it a "who would i put into jail" thread!  

[Archibald]

ooops... sorry!  
I'm totally unable to kill even small animals... only insects!

[MAD]

If I was British

I would not have given 'as a gift' the Nene turbojet engine to the Soviet Union.
This so called gift, allowed the Soviets to leapfrog their turbojet tech greatly, and was what they were able to design the excellent MiG-15 around, that was to cause so much trouble for the West in the Korean War, and they have never looked back!

The United States should have had more stringent security with its nuclear weapons program and R&D, so as to prevent the Soviets from getting the technology for next to nothing, and with little effort

The United States & Britain should have supported the Chinese National more against Communists.

The United Nations should have pushed the North Koreans right back!

The Suez crisis goes ahead, with French, British military and political forces playing the United States bluff.
Both France and Britain making the United States see the light, that if the issue is not solved now, then it will be a thorn in the free words side for decades to come
The Suez cannel is taken by British and French (and Israeli) military force, and negotiations occur where the Suez cannel is put under the control of the United Nations, and policed by the United Nations to this day. Israeli forces are sent back to their boarder!

The British Government stops thinking in the way of science fiction, and sees its misgivings in their wrong assumption that the manned aircraft is obsolete. The British aerospace industry goes on to be a very successful world leader in both military and civil aircraft design and manufacturing

The McDonnell F-4 Phantom II would have been designed with in-built cannon (s) from day one!

Robert McNamara should never have been involved with defence, and stays building cars

The North American B-70 Valkyrie Mach 3 strategic bomber goes into production and SAC service

Because Robert McNamara is not Secretary of Defence, the Joint USAF/USN TFX (Tactical Fighter Experimental) is designed around two separate requirements (with the requirement that as many common components are used in each design, where feasible and operationally practical!). They were to utilize the new Variable-geometry wing design.
This requirement is won by Boeing's TFX submission over that of the General Dynamics TFX design, due to Boeing's design being favored by both USAF and the USN.
This leads to a practical and successful joint USAF/USN long-range heavy interceptor for the USAF and a carrier-based FAD (Fleet Air Defence) aircraft for the USN.
While a dedicated all-weather long-range strike / interdiction aircraft is designed and put into service in two models. One is a carrier-based version, that sacrifice some range to save weight, where as the USAF model had longer legs and hence came in heavier, in all up weight.
The aircraft in operation service becomes the F-111A (USAF long-range heavy interceptor) and the F-111B (USN carrier-based Fleet Air Defence') and the A-111A (USAF all-weather long-range strike / interdiction aircraft) and the A-111B (USN carrier-based all-weather long-range strike / interdiction aircraft)
(Note the A-111B replaced the Grumman A-6 Intruder in the USN and USMC)

Note Britain and France go on to buy the A-111A (The RAF replacing its TSR 2 program with what is known as the A-111K. While France replace their Mirage IVA's with A-111A's



France is told by NATO that it is no longer a world power, so stops putting its foot into every attempt to stop make NATO a more unified and commonly equipped force.
This leads NATO to having more successful and productive NATO Basic Military Requirement's (NBMR), with the likes of the following equipment being put into wide spread NATO service-
-Fiat G.91 being used by most NATO Air Forces in the light fighter / tactical support
 role by the smaller NATO country's like Portugal, Belgium, Netherlands, Italy, France,
 Denmark, Greece, Turkey and Norway. (until replaced in the 1970's by the NATO
 NBMR that lead to the SEPECAT Jaguar supersonic strike aircraft)

-The Dassault Mirage III and the Northrop F-5E Tiger II becomes the primary
 clear weather lightweight fighter-interceptor in the early 1960's

-The Canadian De Havilland Canada DHC-4 Caribou wins the NBMR-4 requirement for
 a STOL tactical transport. It beats the favored of the competition, the Italian G.222,
 because of the Caribou's better rough field performance.
 
-While the Dornier Do 31E is refined further to become the winner of the same NBMR-4
 requirement to fill the role of V/STOL tactical transport, and goes on to provide great
 support to Harrier off-base operations in West Germany.

-The Hawker Siddeley GR.1A / AV-8A Kestrel (Harrier) is put into service by the bigger
 Air Forces of Britain, United States (USAF and USMC) and West Germany to as a
 multi-role lightweight fighter / tactical support role (in place of the simpler and cheaper
 Fiat G.91). this is an interim measure only so as to give these Air Forces the operational
experience, before the more advanced and more capable supersonic P.1154 derivative of
the Kestrel (Harrier) is put into production and service.

- The Lockheed P-3 Orion is chosen as the winner of the NBMR for a long-range
  maritime patrol / ASW aircraft. This design was chosen over the favored European
  Breguet Br.1150 Atlantic design, primarily because of the Orion's four-engine, over
  water safety. (Note many of the smaller NATO countries who can not afford the
  expensive and sophisticated P-3 Orion, instead commit personnel to the NATO Joint
  Maritime Patrol squadrons, that crew U.S paid for Orion's (this program is so
  successful that it leads to many other Joint NATO programs later on, like the NATO
   Joint Airborne Early Warning squadrons and the NATO Joint Airborne Refueling
  squadrons

-The McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II becomes NATO's primary All-weather long-
 range, heavy fighter / interceptor used by Britain, United States, West Germany,
 Turkey, France, Greece, Canada and Italy well into the 1980's.

- NATO's standard Main Battle Tank (MBT) in Europe became the West German
 designed Leopard 1, which was fielded by all of NATO (including France, in place of
 the AMX-30 MBT design, which was still built by France for export, due to the
 restrictions of the sale of NATO equipment)

- The Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow becomes a NATO Joint program for a Supersonic, all-weather interceptor, when it becomes known to NATO intelligence that the Soviets have put into high volume production of the supersonic Myasishchev M-52 'Bounder'.
The United States was forced to react to this fielding of such a threatening Soviet bomber design, when NATO sort an immediate countermeasure in the form of an high supersonic interceptor, NATO was told that the USAF's 'Long Range Interceptor' (LRI) – the North American Aviation 'F-108 Rapier' design was still some years away.
     With the lobbying of the British, West German's, France and Canada, that they could not risk waiting for years of development with the F-108, whilst the CF-105 Arrow was moving along with minimal problems, save for financial, the USAF, under the pressure of the US Government, elected to drop the F-108 Rapier in favor of the just as capable, and yet easier and quicker to field CF-105 Arrow (to the protest of the U.S aviation companies)
The first CF-105 Arrow squadron was made operational in 1963. There are ten Arrow squadrons in NATO Europe (with more in Canada and the United States for their continental air defence)
Three Sq's in France
Two Sq's in Italy
Three Sq's in Britain
and Two Sq's in Norway


NATO Supreme Command quickly react to the 1974 Greek / Turkish 'Cyprus' debacle, when NATO deploys its Ready Reaction Forces to the disputed island.
The highest diplomatic talk and pressure is put on both Turkey and Greece to stop all hostilities, NATO forces would act as peacekeepers in the interim, and both Greece and Turkey would be politically and economically punished.
The crises is very quickly solved, both Turkey and Greece remain in NATO, and are rewarded economically by the United States and NATO.
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The United States should not have got bogged down in Vietnam!
But if it did, it should have attacked the North like a bull at the gate.
*North Vietnamese air defence sites should have been smashed where ever and when ever they turned on their search and tracking radars – regardless if they were manned by Soviet crews and advisors

*Attacking and destroying North Vietnamese airbases and their aircraft on day two, without the political crap and restraints.

*The South Vietnamese and United States should have committed great numbers of ground forces to both interdict and stop the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

*Allied Forces in Vietnam should hold what ground they won in battle and not withdrawal each time to the safety of firebases. This would have denied the Communists the ability to win over and use the South Vietnamese population so easily.

*From day one, SAC's B-52's (and B-70 Valkyrie) should have been used as designed, to attack strategic targets in North Vietnam, utilizing its long range and heavy bombloads to devastate what infrastructure (Command and Control, Communications, bridges, railway junctions, and marshalling yards), munitions and fuel depots and logistics routs they had and used to get supplies and important weapons and munitions from China and Soviets.

*The USN and USAF work together to lay that many mines in North Vietnam's ports and harbors that the use of ships to bring in munitions, weapons and fuel from the Soviet Union will cost them and the Soviets more ships than they have!

*The F-105 should have been used in the interdiction-strike roles; instead of strategic bombing (this would have saved many aircraft and pilots.)

*The ridicules political restrictions that did not allow the USAF, USN  and USMC to engage targets at beyond visual range, and allowing them to utilize their biggest technological advantage of long-range radars and missiles, which forced the US military to a favored advantage of the enemy is not even thought of!!!!!

*The United States concentrates its diplomatic efforts to inform and expose the North Vietnamese use of natural countries like Cambodia and Laos as a conduit for their war efforts.

*And most importantly, the US and its allies must know when it is time to give up and pull out, instead of escalating and getting bogged down in Vietnam.

* The United States does not abandon Thailand and Taiwan at the end of the Vietnam
  War, instead they keep close military ties, political and military support and bases.

-The Royal Navy keeps its fixed-wing aircraft carriers HMS Ark Royal, HMS Eagle for
 another decade (till 1989, when they are replaced by the Invincible Class, equipped with
 naval P.1154 supersonic V/STOL multi-role fighters) but their aircraft complement are
 renewed to a more economical level of aircraft types and roles –
 The McDonnell Douglas F-4K Phantom II's are replaced by a Joint British and French
 Program in modified Vought F-8E Crusader's (twelve per ship), into F-8K (FN+) these
 have a Rolls Royce Spey turbofan, Aim-7 Sparrow capability, all-weather capability
 and four under-wing pylons for the carriage of up to 2,268 kg (5,000 lb) of stores
.
 The Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer's are replaced by the Joint British / French Jaguar M,
 carrier-based strike version of the SEPECAT Jaguar

 The AEW Gannet's are replaced by modified Dornier Do 31 AEW's

The carriers Seacat close-in SAM systems were replaced by lightweight 4-round Seawolf
close-in SAM systems

 'It is of note that the Falkland Islands issue did not happen in 1981 – mostly due to the
  continuing strike power that the British retained with its upgraded carrier force!




Regards
Pioneer

[Aircav]

May the UK should of carried on with the Miles project and decovered metal fatigue before the Comet

[Archibald]

The British aerospace industry goes on to be a very successful world leader in both military and civil aircraft design and manufacturing

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Be sure that De Gaulle and Dassault don't exist in this world, or they exist in different form...    
(nothing nasty, but I noticed a kind of anti De-Gaulle feeling in this forum, don't know why    I'm not a fan of Le General   )

[Geoff]

If I had a timeship I'd have got married in Sweden in '75.