A Question

[lancer]

My question is about the time frame of the conflict. Are we keeping the dates to around 1982 or seeing as the soverignty issue has been around for a looong time are we free to play around with the date/eras??

[John Howling Mouse]

Good question.

Another question:  Can I get Lancer to do my back-history?  Pleeeeease?

[AeroplaneDriver]

My question is about the time frame of the conflict. Are we keeping the dates to around 1982 or seeing as the soverignty issue has been around for a looong time are we free to play around with the date/eras??

I was planning on it being '82 or very close to it, but you're right, it's a long standing feud, so go for it.

[Brian da Basher]

Wow this opens up all kinds of interesting possibilities.

Thanks, AD!

Brian da Basher

P.S. Some additional guidance on the expanded timeframe would be appreciated by those of us less knowledgeable.

[AeroplaneDriver]

I would like to keep some degree of historical accuracy to this build, so how about we make the eligible timeline go from 1976 when the first real sabre-rattling began until 1989 when diplomatic relations were restored?  That gives a 13-year window which should allow plenty of whifing scope!

I'm also open to (but less in favor of) making it go from '64 when the soveriegnty issue was raised at the UN up to '89.  

Since this is our build, not mine what do you guys think?

[Brian da Basher]

Thank for the input, AD! After reading your post, I decided to do some research on the Falklands Conflict. I like the idea of making the timeframe 1964 - 1989. This seems to fit in well with the history, and it also broadens things just a little.

Brian da Basher

[lancer]

Thanks for the consensuys on the timeline. '64-'89 does give a HUGE variety of stuff to play with. I'll be starting on my first one as soon as I have completed my SS one

[B777LR]

Did the british use UH-1s or AH-1s during the falklands war?

[Mossie]

No, in fact there was a distinct lack of RAF & British Army helicopters during the war itself as most of them went down on Atlantic Conveyor when it was sunk.  This led to the troops having to march to battlegrounds rather than be inserted by helicopter.  There was only one Chinook available & a handful of Pumas,

The British have never actually had the AH-1, although the Bell 412 entered service as the Griffon in the 90's.  If you're intending to kit these in British colours theres more than enough room to.  The lack of the British Army's anti-armour Lynx's caused some difficulty, adding this capability would have been useful.

[B777LR]

What tanks did the argentinian army operate during the war? And before/after? Im planing to perhaps do a T-64...

[XV107]

The RAF didn't send Pumas 'down south' in 1982 - just the Chinooks.

Sea King, Wessex, Lynx HAS and Wasp were the types used by the dark blue.

The Army Air Corps employed the Scout and Gazelle.

One of the Argentine UH-1s may have been flown by the Army Air Corps after it was captured, but I really can't remember if that's my memory playing tricks with me. The two A109s were certainly flown again (in support of various Hereford Gun Club day trips...).

Army Air Corps would have loved to have had the AH-1, but they couldn't be funded (and there was the standard-issue inter-service dispute over who should fly an attack helicopter to think about).

For WHIF purposes, though, the Foreign Office did try to get Westland to produce the AB205 version of the Huey at about the time that the Anglo-French helicopter agreement was being signed. The FCO were asked what they knew about helicopter procurement beyond possible diplomatic advantages and invited to be quiet....

I don't think that the Argentines deployed tanks to the Falklands - biggest armoured threat was considered to be their 90mm gun armed Panhard armoured cars.

[ysi_maniac]

I think Argentinians deployed that US amphibious AAV-7

[Geoff_B]

It was Wessex and Chinook on the atlantic conveyor as the harriers had flown off earlier.

I think you'll find that it was just the Naval helicopters involved as they were better protected against salt water and carried floatation gear. All the spare Wessex 5's were brought into service as they were being replaced by Sea King HC4 at the time of the war. The Royal Marines had Gazelle and Scout units as these two were confiigured for Naval use.

The RAF Chinooks were not for shipboard use which is why they went down as cargo and were intended only to be flown off after the beachhead was secure to support land ops. The first was on its test flights and the 2nd was being preped when the Exocet hit.

The Task Force did bring back a Huey as a war prize which flew as G-Huey from what i remember.

G

[Jschmus]

I think Argentinians deployed that US amphibious AAV-7

I did a little reading, and it turns out that the Argentinian Marines have variants of the AAV-7 now, but the Falklands invasion was carried out with WWII-vintage Amtracs

Wikipedia - Landing Vehicle Tracked

[NARSES2]

I think Argentinians deployed that US amphibious AAV-7

I did a little reading, and it turns out that the Argentinian Marines have variants of the AAV-7 now, but the Falklands invasion was carried out with WWII-vintage Amtracs

Wikipedia - Landing Vehicle Tracked

Well I know it's 25 years ago and all, but as far as I remember the Argentine TV footage after they took Stanley (as shown on the BBC) definately did not show WWII Amtrac's they were the more modern closed in ones with a turret (whatever they are)

I've also seen a picture of the one that took a Carl Gustav  through the entry/exit door, again a modern one.

Hope that helps

Chris