T-34 Tank

[dy031101]

What is the turret ring size of the VK3002(DB)?

Inspired by what I've seen on Google about Holzgasantrieb tanks, I have a crazy idea of a captured T-34 converted to indigenous (gasoline) engine and then to Holzgas fuel, with gas bottles carried in place of the fuel drum, and finally re-equipped with a VK3002(DB) turret.

And then some might wonder why I took the long way 'round when I can suggest simply doing it with a VK3002(DB) altogether. 

[dy031101]

All the playing World of Tanks these past few days got me interested in one thing:

It took up a lot of internal volume (which the American VVSS essentially took none of), didn't offer great ground clearance, and was not as durable as many other suspension types.  It also tended to result in longer tanker with narrower tracks.  The springs didn't accept heavier weights as well, so required more wheels to distribute increased weight.

Could someone suggest a further reading on the above-mentioned topic?

Thanks in advance.

[rickshaw]

All the playing World of Tanks these past few days got me interested in one thing:

It took up a lot of internal volume (which the American VVSS essentially took none of), didn't offer great ground clearance, and was not as durable as many other suspension types.  It also tended to result in longer tanker with narrower tracks.  The springs didn't accept heavier weights as well, so required more wheels to distribute increased weight.

Could someone suggest a further reading on the above-mentioned topic?

Thanks in advance.

Best source I know of is the old Profile on the Christie tanks.   Then perhaps Orgawitz (?sp) who wrote several books on tank design.  Haven't read them for decades though.

[rickshaw]

Found the reference:

Ogorkiewicz, Richard M. (1968), Design and Development of Fighting Vehicles, London: MacDonald, ISBN 0-356-01461-4.

Fairly old but still a good read IIRC.   As I said, been a long time since I've read it but he goes into some detail about the design of AFVs.   He's written several books and a shed load of articles since then.  Died IIRC in the 1990s.

[dy031101]

Again, thanks.

[dy031101]

I've always thought that the more successful one of the T-34-100 configurations is equipped with a muzzle brake (the LB-1 gun) and a larger turret......

But after seeing this line drawing, I'm confused:



The one without muzzle brake seems to have a taller turret and a wider turret ring...... or is more to it than the line drawing illustrated?

[rickshaw]

I think you'll find they are different turrets.  The bottom one looks like a standard T34/85 turret.  The top one a T44 turret.

[dy031101]

I realized they are different turret.

Are you saying that the successful T-34-100 configuration shares the same turret design as the T-44-100?

[rickshaw]

I realized they are different turret.

Are you saying that the successful T-34-100 configuration shares the same turret design as the T-44-100?

Looks similar thats all I can say.  T44's turret always reminded me of a T34/85's turret without the collar around the bottom.

You aware that the Jugoslavs built their own T34/100?  Looked very similar to the lower vehicle, using a standard T34/85 turret (of their own manufacture which was different to the Soviet one).

[Mr.Creak]

Died IIRC in the 1990s.

He's still listed in Debrett's , AFAIK people are removed when they die.
His two-volume Technology of Tanks (1991) (an expansion of Design & Development - which in turn was an update of Armour (1960)) is well worth getting hold of. Providing you have 300 quid to spare! 

[dy031101]

That's a line of thought that the Soviets were already going down.

http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=59&Itemid=50

Didn't realize that it could have been as early as 1940.

[raafif]

We all know that the Panther was Germany's attempt to copy the T-34's abilities but one of the other prototypes was the Daimler-Benz VK3002 built on a BMM chassis ...
http://www.jttk.zaq.ne.jp/a-if/35-0075.html

Looks rather like a shrunken T-34 & may have been easily mis-identified on the battlefied too

[rickshaw]

I think you'll find its actually slightly larger.  As to mistaken identities - always a danger on a battlefield - they more than likely would use oversize markings to try and prevent blue-on-blue incidents.

[Logan Hartke]

http://armorama.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=4625

Cheers,

Logan

[NARSES2]

I've commented elsewhere but that's