Raaf Could-have-been's

[GTX]

I've been wondering - apart from helicopters, what possible alternates to the Caribou could the RAAF have considered in the '602?

Regards,

Greg

[Mossie]

Twin Pioneer?  Hurel Dubois HD.324?  I guess there was no real competitor to the Caribou until well after it came along.  If the RAAF had hung on a litte while they could have taken the Buffalo, C-160 or G.222?

[rickshaw]

I've been wondering - apart from helicopters, what possible alternates to the Caribou could the RAAF have considered in the '602?

Regards,

Greg

Why not what they actually considered?  I believe it was the Andover.  Of course they could have had second-hand C-123s from the US or even perhaps HP Heralds.  Fokker F27s were also another contender, I believe. HS 768s were also a possibility although they were considerably larger than the 'Bou.

[GTX]

I've been wondering - apart from helicopters, what possible alternates to the Caribou could the RAAF have considered in the '602?

Regards,

Greg

Why not what they actually considered?  I believe it was the Andover.  Of course they could have had second-hand C-123s from the US or even perhaps HP Heralds.  Fokker F27s were also another contender, I believe. HS 768s were also a possibility although they were considerably larger than the 'Bou.

Well, that's kind of the point of what I was asking!

Greg

[MAD]

Tony,

I love the proposal - in fact it is my aim to create models of all the altternative aicraft the RAAF/RAA could have selected (i.e those that were actually looked at/offered)for not only the F/A-18, but also the Mirage, Macchi and Tiger.  Will post what pics I have later.

Regards,

Greg

How`s this coming along Greg?
Any progress?
For a while I have been creating my 'What If'/'Alternative History' ADF feature-wall in my study (to my wife`s delight! But like I say she has her craft room and she can do what she wants in there!! ). In fact much of your, Coops and Mav`s work is a big part of it! Actually I am going to put something up on this forum/site requesting a list of profiles from the talents of this site to create my ADF feature-wall!
Stay posted!

M/A.D

[GTX]

How`s this coming along Greg?

Slowly....

Regards,

Greg

[GTX]

Hi folks,

Some interesting reads from the National Archives of Australia:

• Selection of a Replacement Fighter for the Avon Sabre of the Royal Australian Air Force - Discusses options for replacement including Mirage III, F-104, F-105, N-156, EE Lightning
• RAAF requirements of aircraft from local sources - proposed production in Australia of the North American F86 Sabre interceptor fighter as an alternative to the Hawker P1081 - interesting in that it also discusses adoption of Hawker Hunter
• F15 fighter aircraft subcontract offer from McDonnell Douglas - addresses proposal for in-country production of F-15 as a Mirage III replacement
• Submission No 3597 : Tactical Fighter Force - Selection of Aircraft for Further Evaluation - Discusses options for replacement of Mirage IIIs including F-16, Mirage 2000, F/A-18 A and F-18L

If you look, both of these have full electronic copies available for viewing.  To view, just click the "National Archives of Australia" link at the top then choose the "Search now – as a guest" Option and then enter the search term based upon the topics above.  The files you want are those with this symbol:
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Regards,

Greg

[TsrJoe]

cool, has there been anything published in Australia as to the configuration of the production Hawker P.1081 ? all the drawings iv seen so far are of the prototype as built and modified, im curious as to how the finalised back end would have looked ?

cheers, joe

[GTX]

No info I'm afraid - the documents are mainly internal Govt files.

Mind you I did come across this enticing set:  "Proposal - local manufacture of two seater all-weather long range attack fighter CA23."  No electronic copy to view though.

Regards,

Greg

[rickshaw]

I'm having real problems with the archives website.  After I hit the "start a search" all I get is a blank screen.  Is anyone else having similar problems?  I can't seem to find anything about "minimum requirements" or "preferred systems" or anything like that so I can check my system against theirs.

[GTX]

No problems here.

[Ian the Kiwi Herder]

Is it OK if I resurrect this thread - Along with a number of Canadistani 'Could-have-beens' (have a quick look at 'Hunter-Gatherer Hall' on this sites Gallery), I have been looking for an excuse to do some Aussie ones:

I was not going to limit m'self to the current/immediate future - think I talked with Mav & GTX about this a couple of times over the years - Going back to the immediate post-war period, I was thinking about P-47N's in NMF over Korea, F9F Panther's & Cougars in RAN EDSG/Sky, also over Korea.

Later would be my beloved Hunters over Vietnam in an Australian version of the USAF SEA scheme. For 'home defence' the F-104G seemed a good alternative to the Mirage as did the Lightning - imagine both/either of them in the 'Fanta Can' scheme W O W !!

Later on perhaps Jags and/or Mirage F1's supplemented then replaced by F-16's which in turn could be replaced by Rafales or Typhoons.

In terms of modelling all of these are easily do-able in 1:72, 1:48 or even 1;32 if you're very, very brave. Hope nobody minds my re-igniting this one... food for thought, eh ??

Ian

[raafif]

Is it OK if I resurrect this thread -

F-104G   Lightning - imagine both/either of them in the 'Fanta Can' scheme W O W !!

in the first instance NO !! 
        oh, well , if you insist ...

in the second instance ....
       Mav had better get working on those profiles ! that Fanta-Lightning beckons ( pulls that old frog kit out of stash pile ) 

[Maverick]

Just looking at my 'completed' folder...

RAAF NMF P-47 ..... done (also WW2 era Foliage green overall)

RAN F9F ..... done (atho grey over white... both Cougar & Panther, along with RAAF NMF examples)

RAAF Hunters ..... done (a total of six different schemes/variants)

RAAF Lightnings/F-104s ..... Richard did a few of each back in the day.  Don't know if he did Fantas.

RAAF Jags ..... done (also RAN)

RAAF Mirage F1 ..... done

RAAF F-16 ..... done (A & B)

Rafales & Typhoons ..... I'll add them to the list.

Those I have done can be found in my "Post War Australasia" folder on Photobucket.

http://s150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20Australasia/

Regards,

Mav

[Pegasus]

I've been wondering - apart from helicopters, what possible alternates to the Caribou could the RAAF have considered in the '602?

Regards,

Greg

Hi Greg,
I know that the Buffalo was offered to the RAAF as a possible Caribou replacement. One aircraft did a sales tour in late 1969 and it was a subject of great conjecture amongst we cadets of 21 Flt NSW Sqn ATC (as it was at that time) as it flew over our high school one Thursday lunch time in late October. It may have been to the RAAF's advantage to have bought the Buff back then, they would have had a turboprop aircraft right from the word go and may not be in the position they're in now. None of us that day who saw the Buffalo fly over the school on its way from Richmond to Williamtown ever thought the Caribou would serve for so long, not even one of our number who eventually went on to fly the 'bou for many years before transferring to 707s. In fact he thought the RAAF would buy the Buffalo as it was a more modern aircraft and bigger but still able to get into and out of short rough fields.

,
Pegasus.