Couple Of Skyhawk Questions

Burncycle · March 15, 2007, 02:30:58 PM

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QuoteSince the Scoot has such long legs, why not just redesign the out stations for dual-use pylons (one that has the 'shoulder' AAM rail) ?

Shas B)
I don't think that'll work either. The outboards are really out there and anything deeper might cause drag/airflow issues at the tip.
Ok, then how about the inner pylon, leaving the outers for other loads (similar to the Tornado)?

Shas B)

I imagine it would still cause some clearance issues. Real estate on the scooter really is sparse!

Jennings · March 15, 2007, 03:27:41 PM

QuoteHow about going for a lighter short range AAM such as Mistral or Stinger?. Maybe it can be attached on a wingtip launcher without much disturbance, and you are getting some extra punch. Other option could be twin rails for the AIM-9, I saw something alike in post-falklands SHARs. Sure the scooter has a small wing, but so does the Sea Harrier. I imagine an asymetric load: 2 Sidewinders on one wing, and whatever you want in the other: ECM, chaff, rockets, etc. I´ve seen these kind of arrangements in A-10s, so I think it could work in other planes.
Well, some ideas...

AFAIK the Stinger is not qualified for airborne launching. It's purely a shoulder-fired weapon. Not sure about the Mistral. In any event, the twin AIM-9 (or AIM-9Z) launcher sounds feasible. The SHAR used it, as does the A-10.

J

Jschmus · March 15, 2007, 03:29:32 PM

QuoteI imagine it would still cause some clearance issues. Real estate on the scooter really is sparse!

You know that's why they invented the MER, to get the maximum usage out of the Skyhawk's capacity.

Shasper · March 15, 2007, 05:05:29 PM

QuoteAFAIK the Stinger is not qualified for airborne launching. It's purely a shoulder-fired weapon.

If thats the case then why are the Longbows cleared for dual Stinger launchers on each wingtip?

Shas B)

Jennings · March 15, 2007, 06:42:43 PM

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QuoteAFAIK the Stinger is not qualified for airborne launching. It's purely a shoulder-fired weapon.
If thats the case then why are the Longbows cleared for dual Stinger launchers on each wingtip?

Shas B)

Because helicopters don't really fly. Everyone knows that

It's a physical impossibility.

J

Shasper · March 15, 2007, 07:00:29 PM

Smarta$s

Shas B)

Scooterman · March 15, 2007, 07:11:01 PM

QuoteBecause helicopters don't really fly. Everyone knows that It's a physical impossibility.

BURN!

GTX · March 15, 2007, 11:58:37 PM

QuoteBecause helicopters don't really fly. Everyone knows that smile.gif It's a physical impossibility.

Yep - they beat the air into submission!

Regards,

Greg

PanzerWulff · March 16, 2007, 02:05:41 AM

How about the F-15's setup with a sidewinder on either side of the pylon that the droptank is on???

Burncycle · March 16, 2007, 09:51:18 AM

QuoteHow about the F-15's setup with a sidewinder on either side of the pylon that the droptank is on???

Center Pylon: Clearance issues with the wheel bay doors

Inner Wing Pylons: Clearance issues inside due to landing gear strut, clearance issues outside due to proximity of outer wing pylons

gunfighter · March 16, 2007, 11:03:44 AM

yes, the Apache carries Stingers, and the Tiger Mistrals, al least our tigers does. The comanche also had prevision to use stingers. I don´t know why can´t you use these kind of missiles.
The last option I imagine is create an totally new wing from cardboard and add whatever you want. Use a Su-25 wing, or a U-2 one, twenty plus hardpoints, what the hell.

GTX · March 16, 2007, 01:15:43 PM

Quoteand the Tiger Mistrals, al least our tigers does.

Where would that be - Spain or France?

Regards,

Greg

gunfighter · March 16, 2007, 03:43:27 PM

Sad to say, Spain. I guess you are french, aren´t you? As I said some time ago, my first contender was the apache, just because of availability, but nowadays, any helicopter is welcome as we have no attack capability. Our president Zapatero has proceeded with the order just to keep industrial agreements, if it were his will, he should have cancelled the tiger, the NH 90s, and even Typhoons...

GTX · March 16, 2007, 03:48:46 PM

QuoteI guess you are french, aren´t you

Guess again - Australian! Also a Tiger operator (well eventually) as well as a NH-90 customer (in the MRH-90 variant).

Regards,

Greg

Jennings · March 16, 2007, 08:22:09 PM

QuoteI don´t know why can´t you use these kind of missiles.

I would guess that those shoulder-fired type missiles (so designed anyway) probably have *very* low airspeed limits for firing. I mean let's face it, your average Apache doesn't do more than 100 kts indicated, even with a tail wind, whereas your average Scooter can zip along at 450 easy. It might be faster than the missile, y'know?

If anyone has access to the gunner's manuals for either of those helo types, I'd lay good money that if you're going more than about 15 kts it says you can't fire them.

J