The Daring Conversion Attempt

[Spey_Phantom]

the idea came to me when i was visiting a hoobyshop in brugges earlier today.
with some of the people saying that the J-10 is similar to the typhoon, i decided to see for myself.
i bought an adittional eurofighter kit to specially convert into an J-10A.
its good to do some "Plastic Surgery" for once  

work done so far:

-cutting up the typhoons standard wing into the j-10 shaped wing (smaller and cornered)
-scratchbuilding of the new tailfin
-scratchbuilding the ventral fins
-taking a spare MIG-29 outlet
-taking 2 MIG-29 tailplanes for canards (the typhoons ones were to small)

still to do:

-scratchbuild intake
-constructionwork
-painting
-modify canopy
-finding or scratchbuild chinese or russian weapons
-find or build F-16 style landing gear

the kit itself makes a crappy typhoon, but it make hell of a J-10 conversion kit  B)
here a pic of how the kit looks now before i posted    

[Mossie]

I like this idea Nils, good luck!  It'll get the JMN's scratching their heads, maybe the next step is to turn a J-10 kit into a Lavi!!!  

[Spey_Phantom]

update:

i decided to do a one-nighter for this one, but there will be no landing gear added since i got nothing usefull in my sparesbox. i pasted most parts together now and applied a layer of primer.

one things for sure, paint the nose black and she looks like a J-10 already.
i will post pics later if its ready. although the canards look a little to big, she really is a stunner up to now  B)
as for decals, im thinking a chinese one (real world alike)    

[Shasper]

maybe the next step is to turn a J-10 kit into a Lavi!!!

That'll be a giant leap.

Shas B)

[Mossie]

Or a smaller one.....

Just going on all this speculation that surrounds the J-10 Shas, some have said it's based heavilly on the Typhoon, some say the Lavi (someone posted about this recentley, can't remember who off the top of my head).  Yes, there are similarities & there might even have been some inspiration or even a little espionage at work but it's more a case of design convergance than copycatting if you ask me.

[Spey_Phantom]

Time flies when your having fun, the kit was so easy to build, ive bearly begun and its already finished.
the result was remarkable, it really is looking like a J-10 to me  
im just gonna do some modifications tommorow, im to tired to do them right now  :zzz:
what do you think of the result









(ps, i posted this before Mossie's reply, but i made a mistake by pressing delete instead of edit  :dum: , lucky i managed to re-post this message)

[ysi_maniac]

Hi Nils,
This is a really good job        

Hi Mossie,
What I read is that IAI just plainly sold key info from Lavi project, along with Python missile and I do not know more ... Of course, Chineses had to deal with additional problems, like engines and that is why it is bigger.

[Shasper]

That may be Ysi & others, but if you check the specs, the J-10 is a hell of alot larger than the Lavi was ever intended to be (the original purpose of the Lavi was to be a 2-place advance LIFT to replace the Skyhawk, the single seater was also to replace the scooter and I think the Kfir as well). Heck, the engine dia. tell you alone how much bigger the sino is (AL-31 is roughly in the same class as the F100/F110, while the PW1120 was originally meant for an alt. to the J79, same class as the F404).


Shas B)

[famvburg]

maybe the next step is to turn a J-10 kit into a Lavi!!!

That'll be a giant leap.

Shas B)

  Your best bet is to use an F-16 as a basis for a Lavi.  

[famvburg]

maybe the next step is to turn a J-10 kit into a Lavi!!!

That'll be a giant leap.

Shas B)

  Your best bet is to use an F-16 as a basis for a Lavi.

   Here's my 1/72 J-10 made from a Typhoon. As I was literally putting on the decals a couple of years ago, Squadron received Trumpeter's kit........

[famvburg]

maybe the next step is to turn a J-10 kit into a Lavi!!!

That'll be a giant leap.

Shas B)

  Your best bet is to use an F-16 as a basis for a Lavi.

     My 1/72 Lavi made from an F-16. I had started it about the same time as my J-10 & as I was finishing the paint, you guessed it, Anigrand's kit was released.

[famvburg]

maybe the next step is to turn a J-10 kit into a Lavi!!!

That'll be a giant leap.

Shas B)

  Your best bet is to use an F-16 as a basis for a Lavi.

    Lastly, the pair. The 2 a/c are no more copies of each other than the MiG-15 & F-86. If they were, wouldn't I have used an F-16 for the J-10 & the Typhoon for the Lavi just as easily?

[Mossie]

That may be Ysi & others, but if you check the specs, the J-10 is a hell of alot larger than the Lavi was ever intended to be (the original purpose of the Lavi was to be a 2-place advance LIFT to replace the Skyhawk, the single seater was also to replace the scooter and I think the Kfir as well). Heck, the engine dia. tell you alone how much bigger the sino is (AL-31 is roughly in the same class as the F100/F110, while the PW1120 was originally meant for an alt. to the J79, same class as the F404).


Shas B)

Your best bet is to use an F-16 as a basis for a Lavi.

Blimey guys, it was meant as a joke for the reason you've both mentioned, hence the !

Nils, nice job on the J-10, & your J-10 & Lavi look good too Famvburg!

[famvburg]

That may be Ysi & others, but if you check the specs, the J-10 is a hell of alot larger than the Lavi was ever intended to be (the original purpose of the Lavi was to be a 2-place advance LIFT to replace the Skyhawk, the single seater was also to replace the scooter and I think the Kfir as well). Heck, the engine dia. tell you alone how much bigger the sino is (AL-31 is roughly in the same class as the F100/F110, while the PW1120 was originally meant for an alt. to the J79, same class as the F404).


Shas B)

Your best bet is to use an F-16 as a basis for a Lavi.

Blimey guys, it was meant as a joke for the reason you've both mentioned, hence the !

Nils, nice job on the J-10, & your J-10 & Lavi look good too Famvburg!

     Thanks. My comment was just a suggestion. There was an article in a British model mag some time ago that showed the F-16 - Lavi conversion. It's posted 'somewhere' on the 'net, IIRC.

[elmayerle]

That may be Ysi & others, but if you check the specs, the J-10 is a hell of alot larger than the Lavi was ever intended to be (the original purpose of the Lavi was to be a 2-place advance LIFT to replace the Skyhawk, the single seater was also to replace the scooter and I think the Kfir as well). Heck, the engine dia. tell you alone how much bigger the sino is (AL-31 is roughly in the same class as the F100/F110, while the PW1120 was originally meant for an alt. to the J79, same class as the F404).

Actually, the original Lavi proposal had a F404 and not a PW1120.  That was the basis of some studies between IAI and Northrop about using portions of the F-5G/F-20 (depending on when the study was written) to reduce costs of the Lavi.  Ultimately, IAI decided to do it all themselves.