The 500 Phantom Group Build

Rhino1953 · July 01, 2007, 11:04:08 AM

One idea I've had, how about a 112 Sqdn (or 25 or 85) Toom with a Bloodhound Missile under it somewhere. The Squadrons were Bloodhound operators, so the toom and the missile could be in the same scheme.

Radish · July 01, 2007, 11:53:25 AM

What a sensible man you are, Ted.

Need a Bloodhound now....didn't Airfix re-release it a year or so ago?

Mossie · July 01, 2007, 01:40:08 PM

Yep, I think the Bloodhound's still part of the catalouge. Models For Sale has it in stock Rad.
http://www.modelsforsale.com/catalog/advan...odhound&x=7&y=8

elmayerle · July 01, 2007, 06:40:19 PM

QuoteI'm going with the F-4S format....big radome, but with an extra pod for the undernose probe, plus the underwing goodies in the F-4G kit.
Just to make it look different from the standard "long-nosed" G, I'm keeping the short-nosed look.
Also...apart from the Japanese one, I'm thinking USN and USMC and have the schemes/decals already sorted.
The Luftwaffe have some wonderful camouflage patterns which can be adapted.

Instead of Wild Weasel as a name, should an RAF one be called "Wild Wooksta!"

Start with the undernose pod of a "B" or "C" and enlarge it to take the sensor from the front end of a "G" nose, though you might have to extend the fairing back over the nose landing gear doors, much as the "E" and "G" have their fairing extended.

Personally, since, prior to becoming a gunfighter, the "E" was supposed to be teh USAF equivalent of the "J", I've no problem with combining a standard "E" or "G" nose with the rest of an "S" airframe. Hmm, that's a suggestion for cross-service feedback, an F-4J/S TSF (much as what we now call the F-4E was originally the F-4E TSF, TSF isgnifying "Tactical Strike Fighter") with a gun nose but USN or USMC markings.

Radish · July 02, 2007, 01:48:04 AM

What I'm thinking of for my EF-4S is extending the nose of the "S" kit by adding a couple of plastic card filler discs behind the seperate nose on the Italeri kit...this'll change the appearance a bit and I can fashion some nice extended proby things from sprue. Aerials, of course, from plastic card as well as some additions on the spine. I like that big bumpy hump seen on F-4G spines.....or is that just connected to the QF-4G programme?

Of course, a nice RAF drone in Red and yellow would be cool?

Also, my longer-nosed EF-4S would look nice in the German Wolkenmaus scheme.

And I've got some US Army decals (courtesy of me scouring my old SAM magazines) for my olive drab AF-4D+. Might do a fully laden one too (the first one is perhaps as displayed at an airshow after the Gulf war 1990) from 1973 in what Ted suggested, gloss olive drab and high viz markings!!

The room is nearly done....just need to clear/tidy my desk and bingo...."sounds" will leap forth from the twin speakers and painting will ensue.
About bloody time as well.

Rhino1953 · July 02, 2007, 04:45:43 AM

I've been working things out and there is no way to get 8.5 metres of Bloodhound Missile underneath a Phantom, so.... how about overwing pylons like on a Jag. To make it look right, it will have to be above and instead of the outer pylons, and there will have to be 2 of them.

Scooterman · July 02, 2007, 08:03:35 AM

QuoteAerials, of course, from plastic card as well as some additions on the spine. I like that big bumpy hump seen on F-4G spines.....or is that just connected to the QF-4G programme?

That's part of the drone conversion Rad. But hey MFM right?

I won't tell.

Radish · July 02, 2007, 09:59:47 AM

Yes, I was thinking the F-4 would need to be on stilts.....but I have a plan, of course!!
Instead of the Jaguar overwing fitting, why not have one nearer the centreline, like mounted on the fuselage?
One each side so as not to burn the fin off??
Or.....

Why not have one on the fuselage top and get rid of the single fin and have an X-tail Phantom....and I have a spare set of tailplanes too.

Mmmmmmmm

gods, it'd look bloody impressive!!! :dum:

Great idea, Ted.

Radish · July 02, 2007, 10:06:55 AM

Damn that's a great idea.....bloody marvellous.

Two Bloodhounds need ordering

Can you imagine the weight? Blistering!!
Ye gods, wonderful.......

Rhino1953 · July 03, 2007, 12:54:45 AM

Radish, with the weight problem, I reckon more powerful engines are needed, so..... how about 2 large podded engines strapped to the side of the fuselage, then maybe 4 Bloodhounds?

Archibald · July 03, 2007, 03:28:09 AM

QuoteDamn that's a great idea.....bloody marvellous.

Two Bloodhounds need ordering

Can you imagine the weight? Blistering!!
Ye gods, wonderful.......

Wooooow! A bloodhound armed Phantom ?

Radish · July 03, 2007, 05:29:44 AM

too right.

Already ordered, and the F-4 is "in stock" as they say.

Radish · July 03, 2007, 05:32:14 AM

Another idea is a "zero-launched" one with very big booster rockets and fuel tanks strapped somewhere, on a ramp....like a Space Shuttle but a Phantom?

Intergalactic Phantom?

Rhino1953 · July 03, 2007, 07:34:40 AM

QuoteAnother idea is a "zero-launched" one with very big booster rockets and fuel tanks strapped somewhere, on a ramp....like a Space Shuttle but a Phantom?

Intergalactic Phantom?

Yeahh, a ZEL F-4. Cool. Need the launch rail to go with it.
You're as bad as I am Radish.

elmayerle · July 03, 2007, 11:17:22 AM

Quote
QuoteAnother idea is a "zero-launched" one with very big booster rockets and fuel tanks strapped somewhere, on a ramp....like a Space Shuttle but a Phantom?

Intergalactic Phantom?
Yeahh, a ZEL F-4. Cool. Need the launch rail to go with it.
You're as bad as I am Radish.

How about one B** F****** booster rocket in place of a centerline tank? With the correct adjustment of the nozzle, it'd work without as much trouble as two boosters would be (getting the booster thrust line(s) through the combined air vehicle cg was a major concern with ZELL efforts and with other boosted-launch, ground-launched air-breathers such as the Snark which had a fairly detailed procedure for this).