F-4 (F4H-1)(F-110) Phantom

[GTX]

GTX: That's gorgeous.

Isn't it just.  Makes me want to look at modelling it!

Regards,

Greg

[GTX]

Anyone want to profile or model this one before it becomes reality?

Croatia offered German Phantoms to replace MiG-21s
By Igor Bozinovski

Germany has offered Croatia a possible deal to acquire 20 of its McDonnell Douglas F-4F Phantom fighters, as Zagreb nears a decision on how to replace its remaining Soviet-era Mikoyan MiG-21s. Just two of these are available at any given time to protect its airspace.

Croatia must retire its eight MiG-21bisD fighters and two MiG-21UMD trainers by November 2013, while the German air force plans to phase out its last ICE upgrade-standard Phantoms by the end of the same year.

Cash-strapped Croatia is considering whether to launch a competition for a new supersonic fighter, or move for an interim solution that would allow it to slip an expensive purchase by around five years.

Germany has offered Croatia a possible deal to acquire 20 of its McDonnell Douglas F-4F Phantom fighters, as Zagreb nears a decision on how to replace its remaining Soviet-era Mikoyan MiG-21s

Alternatively, it could opt to retire its MiG-21s with no replacement capability and request that NATO cover its air defence requirements until its financial situation improves.

Flown from its 91 AFB at Pula, Croatia's MiG-21s were produced between 1972 and 1980 and upgraded with NATO-compatible systems by Romania's Aerostar in 1993.

Wittmund-based Fighter Wing 71 is the German air force's sole remaining F-4F unit, with the type flown by its 711 and 712 squadrons. Two of the aircraft are providing quick reaction alert cover for NATO members Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania from the latter's Siauliai air base, with the commitment to end on 28 April.

Germany's Phantoms accumulated more than 5,000 flight hours last year, but use of the type will be reduced to 3,000h in 2011, 1,800h in 2012 and 900h in 2013.

DATE:21/03/11
SOURCE:Flight International

[ChernayaAkula]

Anyone want to profile or model this one before it becomes reality?

Croatia offered German Phantoms to replace MiG-21s

Iranian F-14A's already done it. LINKY!  And it looks brilliant!

[GTX]

Anyone want to profile or model this one before it becomes reality?

Croatia offered German Phantoms to replace MiG-21s

Iranian F-14A's already done it. LINKY!  And it looks brilliant!

Doh, missed that - good work!

Regards,

Greg

[pyro-manic]

Phantoms sounds ideal if all the Croatians want is air defence. My main concern would be how expensive are they to run and maintain? I think that would be the biggest problem for a country with a very limited budget.

[ytown2010]

What about re-engining the F-4 with EJ200s?

[ChernayaAkula]

What about re-engining the F-4 with EJ200s?

On paper, that reads like WIN!

[GTX]

Possible, though you would require some sort of adapter given the EJ200 is a lot smaller than the J79.

I would have still liked to see where the various PW1120 turbofan (which was a derivative of the F100 from F-15/16 fame) powered variants such as the Boeing Super Phantom or IAI F-4-2000 Super Phantom could have ended up.  The IAI aircraft could supposedly exceed Mach 1 without afterburners and also supposedly resulted in an aircraft with 17% better combat thrust-to-weight ratio, 36% improved climb rate, and a 15% improved sustained turn rate than the F-4E.

Take that and continue it through to today with the same type of improvements the core F100 has seen and you could have something quite spectacular.

Regards,

Greg

[PR19_Kit]

Possible, though you would require some sort of adapter given the EJ200 is a lot smaller than the J79.

So put THREE of them in there........ 

[Gondor]

I would have still liked to see where the various PW1120 turbofan (which was a derivative of the F100 from F-15/16 fame) powered variants such as the Boeing Super Phantom or IAI F-4-2000 Super Phantom could have ended up. 

So if I used a pair of exhausts from an early Hasegawa F-15 in an F-4E I would have the basis for an IAI F-4-2000 ?

Gondor

[GTX]

So if I used a pair of exhausts from an early Hasegawa F-15 in an F-4E I would have the basis for an IAI F-4-2000 ?

Not quite - though there is no reason why you couldn't come up with a credible story for it so don't let me stop you.

The two Super Phantoms are shown below - the lower is the Israeli one:



In addition, here are some photos of the IAI Super Phantom from Le Bourget '87:






Also, here are some photos from the Israeli Air Force Museum showing the exhaust of a PW1120 (from the Lavi which planned to use the same engine):




Regards,

Greg

[Gondor]

Off the top of my head, and without actually digging mine out the stash, I think a 1/100 scale F-15's exhaust nozzles would make for passable PW1120 exhaust nozzles.

From looking closely at the pictures provided by GTX the F100 would not work as a possible replacement due to the shape of the petals 

Plan B has been put into operation though with an email to Anigrand to see if they will sell me a pair of engines from their 1/72 Lavi kit. Alternative solutions will of course be welcome.

Gondor

[GTX]

Off the top of my head, and without actually digging mine out the stash, I think a 1/100 scale F-15's exhaust nozzles would make for passable PW1120 exhaust nozzles.

From looking closely at the pictures provided by GTX the F100 would not work as a possible replacement due to the shape of the petals 

Plan B has been put into operation though with an email to Anigrand to see if they will sell me a pair of engines from their 1/72 Lavi kit. Alternative solutions will of course be welcome.

Gondor

It could still work - what if the PW1120 developed the same problem as the F100 did and thus result in the "petals" being removed?  Alternatively, say it was a prototype fitted with a F-100 nozzle.

Regards,

Greg

[overscan]

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/ebooks/McDonnell%20Model%20Numbers%20List.pdf

This file contains dozens of real proposed Phantom models, some begging to be built. Some that caught my eye:


98CK F4H/ADC Advanced Interceptor with AN/ASG-18, 2 GAR-9, F4H wing with widened center section, F4H tail, longer (69ft 10in) fuselage, J93 engines (1960)
98CN  F-4H/ADC Phantom IIG Advanced Interceptor with AN/ASG-18 - wing and tail area inceased 20%, longer fuselage, two primary GAR-9, one alternate GAR-9, J93-MJ 252F engines. b) a 4 GAR-9 variant. (1960)
98CP Phantom IIF, as above with J58 engines (1960)
98CR Phantom IID,  TF10A-20 engine (1960)
98CS Phantom IIE,  J52 engine (1960)
98CX F4H with 700W Hughes coherent pulse-doppler radar, GAR-9. (1961)
98CY F4H with WECO 2000W coherent pulse-doppler radar (2 target track capability), 2 x Eagle AAMs, 6 in nose extension. (1961)
98CZ F4H,  WECO 2000W coherent pulse-doppler radar, Hawk (Kestrel) missile system. (1961)
98DD Improved F4H with 700W Hughes coherent pulse-doppler radar, GAR-9 (1961)
98DO Improved F-4C with ASG-18, 4 GAR-9, TF-30 turbofan engines. (1963)
98FG F-4B VERY ADVANCED - 600 sq ft wing area with slats and double slot flaps, 119 sq ft tail area, AWG-10 with multishot Sparrow & Phoenix, SPARM. Nose lengthened 18", aft lengthened. (1964)
98FH As above with TF-30 engines (1964)
98FI As above with RB168-25R engines (1964)
98FVS Variable sweep, medium high wing (1966)
98KU Navy advanced interceptor, F-4J modified AWG-10, Sparrow III and AIM-47 (1967)
98LD/LE/LF F-4J with AWG-9, Phoenix (1967)
98LK F-4J with enlarged wing, Phoenix (1968)
98LL/LM/LN F-4J with AWG-10, Phoenix (1968)
98MC F-4 for ADC, AWG-9 or ASG-18, AIM-47B (1968)
98MQ F-4E with F-15 systems (1969)
98MS F-4E with F-15 wing (1969)

[Thorvic]

Some interesting proposals there, i wonder if the drawings still exist ?