S-2 Tracker, E-1 Tracer, C-1 Trader, E-2 Hawkeye, and C-2 Greyhound

Jeffry Fontaine · March 27, 2009, 05:13:51 PM

Finding a suitable line drawing of the C-2 on-line is a real challenge. The attached image was obtained from Collectaire Resin Scale Aircraft Models Kit #4881 1/48th scale resin C-2 Greyhound.

GTX · March 27, 2009, 05:31:27 PM

Here you go - a bit crude, but it should help illustrate the basic idea:

Regards,

Greg

kitnut617 · March 27, 2009, 06:44:42 PM

Greg, I think you need to make the dish a bit bigger, the Greyhound isn't much different in length than a Hawkeye, at least the conversion I have isn't.

Edit: It's actually shorter, 56'-10 to 57'-7". The dish is 23'-6" diameter

Jeffry Fontaine · October 09, 2009, 08:36:42 AM

Quote from: TsrJoe on October 08, 2009, 03:13:33 AMim not sure if this is an actual project or a reaslly well done kitbash ? ...

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/photos/photopage.jsp?plckPhotoID=4b32cd52-99f9-40ed-8a35-704da1954a9e&plckGalleryID=b1746a72-fce6-489c-9afe-50a1413a668b

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7931.0/topicseen.html

cheers, joe

Interesting concept. Wonder how the other parts would look together? Using the Greyhound fuselage with the V-22 wing and rotors? Looks like they have proposed a fire fighter version as well based on the description in the last image)

(image source: Bruno Bec/aviationweek.com)

Interesting concept. Wonder how the other parts would look together? Using the Greyhound fuselage with the V-22 wing and rotors?

Shame that the images are so small. Would have been nice to see the fine details of the wing and fuselage join and to determine how much putty was going to be needed for such a conversion. I guess the smaller the better in this case. 1/144th scale would definitely hide many of the faults that would be glaring on a larger model.

GTX · October 09, 2009, 02:02:36 PM

[Tease Mode On]

Coming soon to a screen near you - the third main E-2 Family variant: the ES-2A Albatross. This is a dedicated ASW version of the E-2 without the Roto-dome but with retractable mad boom and sonobuoy tubes...

Also to be joined by KC-2A tankers...

[Tease Mode Off]

Regards,

Greg

Jeffry Fontaine · October 09, 2009, 05:16:49 PM

Quote from: GTX on October 09, 2009, 02:02:36 PM[Tease Mode On]

Coming soon to a screen near you - the third main E-2 Family variant: the ES-2A Albatross. This is a dedicated ASW version of the E-2 without the Roto-dome but with retractable mad boom and sonobuoy tubes...

Also to be joined by KC-2A tankers...

[Tease Mode Off]

Looking forward to seeing these.

Don't forget the MC-2 SOLL IV (Special Operations Low-Level) version with the FLIR mounted under the nose

Stargazer · October 09, 2009, 06:29:53 PM

Quote from: GTX on October 09, 2009, 02:02:36 PM
Coming soon to a screen near you - the third main E-2 Family variant: the ES-2A Albatross. This is a dedicated ASW version of the E-2 without the Roto-dome but with retractable mad boom and sonobuoy tubes...
Also to be joined by KC-2A tankers...

Wow! Can't wait to see these! May I suggest though that you misdesignated the ASW version: it should read SE-2, as it is an "S" version of the basic E-2 Hawkeye (NOT an "E" version of the S-2 Tracker!). Not sure if the "A" suffix is good, since a truly different version usually calls for a new letter ("E" in this case, therefore SE-2E). Also for better coherence and realism, make sure that the SE-2 is called Albatross II, as is standard practice when a type has already used the name!

As for the KC-2, same remark: perhaps consider giving it a different suffix (KC-2B for instance). Any idea for the name? Following the Trader/Tracer/Tracker idea, which I always thought was brilliant, will be a bit difficult here with Greyhound/Hawkeye/Albatross II... but anyway, what about Tankcat or Fuelcat? (the pilots will dub it the Greyhose, anyway...

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Jeffry Fontaine · October 10, 2009, 04:33:50 PM

Quote from: Overkiller on October 10, 2009, 06:20:52 AM
Quote from: Jeffry Fontaine on October 09, 2009, 05:16:49 PMDon't forget the MC-2 SOLL IV (Special Operations Low-Level) version with the FLIR mounted under the nose
Oh Yes!

I have a Heller E-2 kit in the stash that I took the Rotordome from to do my Ilyushin AWACS build, and I've been scratching my head ever since as to what to do with the rest of the kit, when I read that idea Jeffry, a whole Las Vegas Neon Sign Boulevard lit up in my head

Glad to be of assistance. Too bad you can not use the parts in conjunction with a C-2 Greyhound conversion kit, that would be the best combination but there are times when you are stuck with what you can afford or is available in the stash.

kitnut617 · October 11, 2009, 08:02:42 AM

Quote from: Overkiller on October 10, 2009, 10:26:53 PM

Funny you should say that.......doing a real world (boo hiss) C-2 Greyhound is my plan B for this kit, possibly to go on the Cold War SIG table at some point.

Duncan

Heller's and Fujimi's E-2 are the same kit IIRC, Falcon do a vacuform fuselage to do a Greyhound which says to use the Fujimi kit and Goofy Models make a very nicely detail resin cockpit (but don't know how accurate it is [but then I don't really care as you will only see a bit of it anyway]), got the conversion and a couple of the 'pits in the stash waiting for me to get on with them.

sideshowbob9 · October 12, 2009, 04:49:35 AM

QuoteI guess the smaller the better in this case. 1/144th scale would definitely hide many of the faults that would be glaring on a larger model.

Aww nuts! Now they tell me! The instant I saw this I hunted down a 1/72 V-22 & E-2! Doh!

Jeffry Fontaine · October 13, 2009, 12:35:06 PM

Quote from: sideshowbob9 on October 12, 2009, 04:49:35 AM
QuoteI guess the smaller the better in this case. 1/144th scale would definitely hide many of the faults that would be glaring on a larger model.
Aww nuts! Now they tell me! The instant I saw this I hunted down a 1/72 V-22 & E-2! Doh!

I think you misinterpreted what I was trying to convey in my comment. As far as "the smaller the better" I meant that smaller a scale would definitely hide many of the faults that would show up on a larger scale model. To the best of my knowledge there is at present no 1/144th scale V-22 kit available so you would be faced with making this conversion in 1/48th or 1/72nd scale. When some company does actually produce and offer an injection molded plastic V-22 in 1/144th scale the opportunity to convert it to this hybrid idea would certainly be much simpler due to the smaller scale and the faults what ever they are would be easier to hide unlike the larger models. It would certainly make a lot of people happy if this came to pass.

sideshowbob9 · October 14, 2009, 03:54:53 AM

Sorry, the statement was made with tongue slightly in cheek though I have been known to make hasty procurements in the past!

I'm in complete agreement that 1/144 would be easier to model but I suspect few of us here are into modelling because it's easy! At 1/72 scale, I'm reasonably confident I can hide most of the faults. My main concern is whether the E-2 wing is of sufficient chord to match the Osprey's wing box.

Regarding the 1/144 V-22 though, I would have thought that one would be a must for a manufacturer like Dragon.

Archibald · November 29, 2009, 05:09:16 AM

Hello !

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8449.0/topicseen.html

Looks like back in 1967 the RAAN wanted Essex, Phantoms, and E-1B Tracer.

Essex carriers were the size of Clemenceau... the E-1B may have been an interesting AEW aircraft for 30 000 ton carriers.

Daryl J. · February 11, 2011, 03:32:05 PM

Now that the Kinetic Stoof is released, what about a retro-Stoof with cloth wings? And African one with the torpedo bay being replaced with some horrific street sweeper machine gun bay?

Thorvic · February 12, 2011, 01:18:26 AM

Quote from: Archibald on November 29, 2009, 05:09:16 AM
Hello !

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8449.0/topicseen.html

Looks like back in 1967 the RAAN wanted Essex, Phantoms, and E-1B Tracer.

Essex carriers were the size of Clemenceau... the E-1B may have been an interesting AEW aircraft for 30 000 ton carriers.

The Trackers & Tracers operated off many of the USN Essex class, both the Attack & AEW carriers, the fun one was the Phantom as that only just worked on Ark Royal and the USN never re-equiped the Essex with them as a result.

In 1964 the Phantom was still be touted as the superb next generation Carrier fighter, however at some point around this period, the USN let it be known that there were issues with the F-4B performance compared to McDD's brochure claims, which resulted in the aircraft not being safe to operate from smaller carriers

The F-4HL (High Lift version of the RR powered Phantom however might have solved the issue with operating Phantomns off standard Fleet carriers rather than their Super sized carriers thus their predictions of potential sales of 500 aircraft including the UK & USN.

G