Strv-103 ''S'' Tank

[dy031101]

I have a 1/72nd one in the stash, the idea being to re-arm it with a 152mm Shillelegh gun/launcher, an M-60 cupola and loads of ERA, the result being a USMC assault gun having it's last hoorah in Fallujah....

Gun-launcher as in the one used by the MBT-70 or the one used by M551/M60A2?

[Jschmus]

I have a 1/72nd one in the stash, the idea being to re-arm it with a 152mm Shillelegh gun/launcher, an M-60 cupola and loads of ERA, the result being a USMC assault gun having it's last hoorah in Fallujah....

Gun-launcher as in the one used by the MBT-70 or the one used by M551/M60A2?

They are the one and the same, and utterly useless save for blowing stuff up in close-quarters.  A Shillelagh was just as likely to kill the vehicle that launched it as whatever it was fired at.

[dy031101]

They are the one and the same, and utterly useless save for blowing stuff up in close-quarters.

The one used by the MBT-70 is said to be a long-barrelled version that allows for a more effective anti-armour performance without resorting to HEAT rounds.

[Weaver]

I have a 1/72nd one in the stash, the idea being to re-arm it with a 152mm Shillelegh gun/launcher, an M-60 cupola and loads of ERA, the result being a USMC assault gun having it's last hoorah in Fallujah....

Gun-launcher as in the one used by the MBT-70 or the one used by M551/M60A2?

They are the one and the same, and utterly useless save for blowing stuff up in close-quarters.  A Shillelagh was just as likely to kill the vehicle that launched it as whatever it was fired at.

The idea for my model is that the USMC take a long, cool look at the US Army's experience with the system and then decide that it has value if modified and used on a different platform. They adopt it as a combination assault gun (i.e. for blowing things up at close quarters) and ATGW vehicle, with the Shillelagh updated to use laser command-guidance (like the RBS-70 SAM) rather than the dodgy IR command-guidance it started out with. It's also modified to use a fixed cartridge case rather than a combustible one because the S-tank's (modified) auto-loader can handle it no matter how much it weighs, and that also eliminates the other weakness of the system.

[rickshaw]

I have a 1/72nd one in the stash, the idea being to re-arm it with a 152mm Shillelegh gun/launcher, an M-60 cupola and loads of ERA, the result being a USMC assault gun having it's last hoorah in Fallujah....

Gun-launcher as in the one used by the MBT-70 or the one used by M551/M60A2?

They are the one and the same, and utterly useless save for blowing stuff up in close-quarters.  A Shillelagh was just as likely to kill the vehicle that launched it as whatever it was fired at.

On what basis do you make that claim?  Most of the user accounts that I've read suggest that when working properly, the Shillelagh was quite an accurate weapon.  Of course the problem was that the guidance system was easily knocked out of alignement.

Now, if I was going with an assault gun, I'd tend to put a 165mm Low Pressure demolition gun in it, if pre-1995 and post-1995 I'd go with a 120mm gun-mortar with laser guided rounds.

[GTX]

Inspired by Chris's maddness here, a Turreted Strv-103 with Leo 1 Turret:



regards,

Greg

[chrisonord]

Thats cool, 
Chris.

[Arc3371]

When idea I have been thinking of when reading this thread is putting T-72 turret on the S-tank, perhaps bought at the same time the Swedes bought ex-DDR BMP-1 and MT-LB?

[Weaver]

What if the Swedes had followed the example of the German Jagdpanzers and converted their "Kanones" to "Raketes" by removing the 105mm gun, autoloader and magazine and fitting an ATGW system instead? The quintuple Swingfire box from the Striker would fit well, but almost any other system/missile could be adapted.

[rickshaw]

Inspired by Chris's maddness here, a Turreted Strv-103 with Leo 1 Turret:



regards,

Greg

Thats interesting.  Where does the engine and the driver go?

[Weaver]

The S-tank's engines are at the front so no problem there, but I agree that it's a bit of a squeeze to get that turret on next to the existing driving position. It looks like it would flip over backwards if you fired the gun forwards: perhaps if the hull was lengthened by one roadwheel though....

[rickshaw]

The S-tank's engines are at the front so no problem there, but I agree that it's a bit of a squeeze to get that turret on next to the existing driving position. It looks like it would flip over backwards if you fired the gun forwards: perhaps if the hull was lengthened by one roadwheel though....

My point was that the driver would have to move forwards which would put him sitting in the engine bay.  I agree, an extra roadwheel and a longer hull might fix the problem.    I suspect this would end up somewhat similar to the Argentine TAM.

[GTX]

Bah!

Regards,

Greg

[GTX]

Or maybe a full update/up-gun pending delivery of the Stridsvagn 122?

  Now that I like!  What's the story?

regards,

Greg

[elmayerle]

Inspired by Chris's maddness here, a Turreted Strv-103 with Leo 1 Turret:



regards,

Greg

Actually, if I was going to put a turret on a S-tank, I'd consider a low-profile fixed gun turret like that of the US experimental T92 tank and use the hydraulics of the S-tank for elevation while the turret handled traverse.