F-100 and F-107

[dy031101]

On the Wikipedia, the F-100 entry mentioned a F-100J all-weather export variant for Japan.

Since there was a time when aircraft exported to Japan had their ground attack capabilities removed, can I safely assume that this F-100J is also somehow air-defense-optimised?  What's the equipment fit?

(A radar small enough to fit into the intake lip?  Or a radar nose and relocated intake like that of the F-100BI or even F-107?)



On the what-if front, would a F-100D or F-100BI with tailless delta-wing arrangement have looked cool? 

[Glenn Gilbertson]

From "Air Pictorial" September 1957:

[dy031101]

Before the advent of the Kopyo 25, was there any pod-mounted air-to-air-capable radar (preferably in the West; I heard there were some for the Mirage V but never found anything to confirm it)?

Just to think of something to go with the tailless delta-wing F-100 in my mind......

[tigercat2]

Here are a couple of What If '107s, done several years ago.


Wes W.

[jcf]

Tommy Thomason posted some info on Hypersclae in response to a question about this project:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/149674/message/1255090357/Per+Your+Request
http://www.network54.com/Forum/149674/message/1255092665/A+bit+more

[elmayerle]

Before their demise, ISTR some photos of a F-100 flight testing a radar that was more than a ranging gunsight, though it was located where the standard ranging unit was above the inlet lip.  It made for distinctive bulge from the mold line as well as, IIRC, projected forward a bit.  Anyone have all the issues and can check?

[dy031101]

Following on this idea:

Just to think of something to go with the tailless delta-wing F-100 in my mind......

I have a question.

For the published length of the F-100D, does it start at the nose intake or the tip of pitot probe in deployed form?  Does it end at the trailing edge of the tailfin?

I want to get the scale right for the bombs......



What other suggestions would you have?

[PR19_Kit]

AFAIK most manufacturers don't include pitots, aerials or any other probes in the length dimensions, so your F-100's length would be from the intake front face to the upper tip of the fin, measured along the datum line of the fuselage of course.

How about measuring the model fuselage-fin assembly of the model you're building, and seeing how it compares to published dimensions before you start on the wings and bombs etc?

[Geoff]

Before the advent of the Kopyo 25, was there any pod-mounted air-to-air-capable radar (preferably in the West; I heard there were some for the Mirage V but never found anything to confirm it)?

Yes the UK had a radar pod in the 1950' - 1960's called the Ekco 38B in Marineflieger service. It was used on the Seahawk Mk-101's of MFG-2, which carried it on the inner right wing pylon. It was a sea search radar not air-to-air, and was not a great success as the electrical system could not support it. This ment the power to the aerilons had to be shut down to operate the pod. It looks about the length of the standard droptank, but has a wider more bulbus nose. Don't know any technical spec though sorry.

GeoffP

[dy031101]

Re-scaling bombs in what I believe to be the right proportion...... didn't help.  Guess the bombs are indeed that small compared to the F-100 fuselage......

Yes the UK had a radar pod in the 1950' - 1960's called the Ekco 38B in Marineflieger service. It was used on the Seahawk Mk-101's of MFG-2, which carried it on the inner right wing pylon. It was a sea search radar not air-to-air, and was not a great success as the electrical system could not support it. This ment the power to the aerilons had to be shut down to operate the pod. It looks about the length of the standard droptank, but has a wider more bulbus nose.

Electrical generator needs beefing up (what I have in mind indeed calls for an air intercept radar)- got it!

[ysi_maniac]

StarSabre

F-104 (Viggen intakes) with F-100 flying surfaces. Alternative tail fin: 2nd one looks a F-100 with lateral intakes

[ysi_maniac]

USAF: A pair of simple radarless fighters to attack in Vietnam War

[Zero-Sen]

[thundereagle1997]

Would a different wing design & area ruling cure the low speed problems of the hun?

[Pellson]

Would a different wing design & area ruling cure the low speed problems of the hun?

Wing design - to a degree, but a major problem was the unresponsiveness of the engine installation at stall speed, leading to an all or nothing throttle handling if you just wanted to nudge the aircraft away from stall speed. The resulting over-oscillation is known as the "Sabre dance". Once pilots were taught to either land as you were or go around, and absolutely nothing in between, the accident rate fell dramatically