Hawker Sea Hawk ideas (inc. P1052, P1081 etc..)

[Daryl J.]

Using Trumpeters FGA.6 (is that the designation??....the one with the shorter tail anyways), make a prototype Seahawk that never existed but make it credible enough that the Intelligensia will do a double take    and doubt their knowledge base:    

Rounded wing tips, option of ogival curved wing tips
Reduce the tail height a bit making it more rounded as well as curve the back of the rudder.
Eliminate or reduce the bullet fairing in front of the horizontal stabs.
Revised underwing tanks.
Add canopy framing a bit
EDSG/White(?Sky)    Was there ever a RAF option?  If not, DG/OG over MSG.

She's a pretty bird to begin with and this should escape 'uglifying' it.  B)

    ,
Daryl J.


[edit]---What if the machine had a career length similar to the Hunter or the similarly engined Lockheed T-33?

[Zen]

Could alter the gun ports and bulge associated areas, say giving at a pair of 30mm ADEN?

[elmayerle]

As for the bullet fairing on the tail, you can't take it off because it's there for a reason, an aerodynamic one, something to do with airflow and buffeting.  Can't quite remember which.

Without it, the interferences between the airflow over the horizontal tails and around the vertical tail interfere at speed and create severe buffet.  Same reason there's a similar bullet on most Meteors.

[Daryl J.]

So that's what the bullet is for.  I'd wondered ever since building the AMT Meteor as a kid back when the dinosaurs were just dying out.   Thanks!
The Meteor is another whiffer too, or Venom, or Sea Vixen, or Victor, or Vulcan, or Nimrod, or Javelin, or Canberra, Buccaneer,  or....well, as it stands, this Yank just loves things English.  

Who is/are GAF?


How was the machine's performance compared to a F9F-x Panther?    Perhaps the USMC used a Seahawk variant as a strike machine.  GSB overall....mmmmm....

Daryl J.

[elmayerle]

I'm sure someone from Australia could answer with more assurance, but I believe GAF=Government Aircraft Factory or something close to that.

[jcf]

Using Trumpeters FGA.6 (is that the designation??....the one with the shorter tail anyways), make a prototype Seahawk that never existed but make it credible enough that the Intelligensia will do a double take    and doubt their knowledge base:   

Rounded wing tips, option of ogival curved wing tips
Reduce the tail height a bit making it more rounded as well as curve the back of the rudder.
Eliminate or reduce the bullet fairing in front of the horizontal stabs.
Revised underwing tanks.
Add canopy framing a bit
EDSG/White(?Sky)    Was there ever a RAF option?  If not, DG/OG over MSG.

She's a pretty bird to begin with and this should escape 'uglifying' it.  B)

    ,
Daryl J.


[edit]---What if the machine had a career length similar to the Hunter or the similarly engined Lockheed T-33?

What you are proposing is close to the P.1040:


The P.1040 was originally tendered to the RAF, they weren't interested, however, the Admiralty saw some potential and the design was developed into the Sea Hawk.
The P.1040, VP401, was used in the National Air Races and on August 1, 1949 won the SBAC Challenge Cup at an average speed of 510mph.
The aircraft later had an Armstrong-Siddeley Snarler rocket motor fitted in the rear and was renumbered the P.1072.

The P.1040 originated from the P.1035 project, which was a jet conversion of the Fury.

Cheers, Jon

[Daryl J.]

Jon,

That definately gives ideas as to where to go.   The P.1040 was previously unknown to me until tonight.   Visualise removing about a hand-width off the top and adding the same hand-width to the rudder immediately aft the horizontal stabs and 'smooth the curve' to get the idea of a new fin.   Bullet remains I guess albeit in modified form.    And it looks as though rounded wing tips better be added to further separate the kit from the real P.1040.  


Thanks for the photo.   I about dropped my jaw when it looked like that.  


Daryl J., up far too late doing laundry for the dogs

PS: The Aden idea is great!   Would it fit?

[jcf]

The Hawker projects that were contemporaries of, and related to, the Sea Hawk.









Cheers, Jon

[kitnut617]

For the longest time, Hannants had a Maintrack 1/72 Hawker P.1040 on sale.  I bought a couple of them as there were parts in the kit to do the P.1072 as well, which had the Snarler tail.

But as always happens, when you go to look again to post a link, it's gone.

Sorry
Robert

Edited

[Daryl J.]

Wow!   So it looks like a P.1040-meets-Seahawk-meets whiffer is a reasonable option.  Also, it looks like the P.1052 wing could get added to the Mk.101 and be reasonable as well.     That might look good in Danish overall dk. green and heavily weathered.

Thanks again guys!!!!
Daryl J.

[jcf]

There's a load of other Hawker projects based on that airframe but I don't have the references to hand at the moment.  P.1062 and P.1068 ring a bell though, and there's a variant of the P.1052 that has a rocket up the back too.

From 'Hawker Aircraft since 1920' by Mason.
P.1040: P.1035 with one R.R. B.41 in fuselage, became Sea Hawk.
P.1042: Variation of P.1040, schemed only.
P.1043: P.1040 without undercarriage, led to trials.
P.1045: Naval version of P.1040, schemed only.
P.1046: Naval version of P.1040 with rocket boost, schemed only.
P.1047: P.1046 with extreme sweep-back, schemed only.
P.1052: P.1040 with swept wings to Spec. E.38/46, two built VX272 & VX279.
P.1062: P.1052 with AS65 engine, schemed only.
P.1068: P.1040 with R-R R.B.66 engine, project design only.
P.1072: P.1040 with Snarler, conversion of VP401.
P.1075: P.1062 with Nene engine, schemed only.
P.1078: P.1052 with rocket, schemed only.
P.1080: P.1052 to Australian requirements, later embodied in P.1081.
P.1081: Development of P.1052 with Nene or Tay, Australian requirements investigated.
P.1087: Naval version of P.1081, project design only.
P.1094: P.1072 with thin wings, schemed only.

Lots of possibilities.

Jon

[SPINNERS]

The Meteor is another whiffer too, or Venom, or Sea Vixen, or Victor, or Vulcan, or Nimrod, or Javelin, or Canberra, Buccaneer,  or....well, as it stands, this Yank just loves things English.

British?

[Daryl J.]

British?

Boy oh boy is that a leftover from my early days of school.    We were actually taught that England and Great Britain were the very same thing.   Sorry.

At least I didn't refer to it as a former French Territory as do some people I know.....    


...........back to regular programming.......


Daryl J.

[Daryl J.]

Do I understand correctly this is a factory color for the Seahawk, odd markings excepted?  




Post Office Red had been on the whifflist but if it is real...............


TIA,
Daryl J.


PS:  Note Trumpex' deformed canofpeas--->not that it's any news

[Daryl J.]

I'm itching to put Hawker's signature tail right here:



and hoping to put on it the two RAF Harrier RAF greens.




Daryl J.