Hawker Sea Hawk ideas (inc. P1052, P1081 etc..)

Mossie · February 22, 2011, 06:19:39 AM

Hobby Boss's 1/72 Sea Hawk FGA.6 is nearly with us, so holy thread revival.

The main question I've got is what would it take to backdate the FGA.6 to earlier variants? As far as I'm aware, the Sea Hawk didn't differ much externally through the marks, except for the tail on the German Mk.100 & radar pod on the Mk.101. Anybody who actually has some attention to detail willing to shed any light?

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Mossie · November 23, 2011, 03:12:40 AM

Two more questions:

Was a two seat Sea Hawk ever drawn up, tandem or side-by-side? I haven't been able to find reference to one on Secret Projects or in BSP Jet Fighters.

What was the reason for the taller tail on the German Mk.100/101's? Was it a general improvement, or a requirment specific to the Marineflieger? I ask beacause the last Sea Hawks to be built were short tailed aircraft for the Indian Navy.

rickshaw · November 23, 2011, 04:06:44 AM

I'm not aware of a two-seater and there isn't one mentioned in my Putnam's "Hawker Aircraft Since..."

I suspect the taller tail was there because of the radar drop tank. If they dropped the off-side one which contained fuel, they'd need the taller tail to counter the swing?

Aircav · November 23, 2011, 04:16:18 AM

A side-by-side trainer would look good, could use the canopy off a Jet Provost Mk3

The Wooksta! · November 23, 2011, 04:47:29 AM

Been done - Gary did one ten years back from an Airfix kit and used a Venom canopy. IIRC, Terry did a tandem one with an Airfix kit and a Meteor spine.

Try finding an Airfix JP3! And the canopy is awful!

And yes, there were tandem and side by side two seaters drawn up. I was given some plans years back by Alan Ritson who ran the Hawker SIG.

The Wooksta! · November 23, 2011, 04:49:00 AM

Quote from: Mossie on February 22, 2011, 06:19:39 AM
The main question I've got is what would it take to backdate the FGA.6 to earlier variants? As far as I'm aware, the Sea Hawk didn't differ much externally through the marks, except for the tail on the German Mk.100 & radar pod on the Mk.101. Anybody who actually has some attention to detail willing to shed any light?

IIRC, it's mainly just differently placed vents for different marks of RR Nene.

kitbasher · November 23, 2011, 05:16:55 AM

Quote from: The Wooksta! on November 23, 2011, 04:47:29 AM
Been done - Gary did one ten years back from an Airfix kit and used a Venom canopy. IIRC, Terry did a tandem one with an Airfix kit and a Meteor spine.

Try finding an Airfix JP3! And the canopy is awful!

And yes, there were tandem and side by side two seaters drawn up. I was given some plans years back by Alan Ritson who ran the Hawker SIG.

Poo! I thought I'd come up with that idea and it's on my 2012 'to do' list. PLanning to use a Vampire T10 front end and canopy, plus the taller Mk 100 fin/rudder. Would be keen to see the plans you refer to Lee.

The Wooksta! · November 23, 2011, 05:33:31 AM

I'd have to remember where I put them. IIRC, Alan had done some research at Brooklands and redrew the plans himself.

JayBee · November 23, 2011, 06:02:59 AM

Quote from: kitbasher on November 23, 2011, 05:16:55 AM
Poo! I thought I'd come up with that idea and it's on my 2012 'to do' list. PLanning to use a Vampire T10 front end and canopy, plus the taller Mk 100 fin/rudder. Would be keen to see the plans you refer to Lee.

Ditto, but mine was going to be tandem seating.

kitbasher · November 23, 2011, 06:33:04 AM

Quote from: JayBee on November 23, 2011, 06:02:59 AM
Quote from: kitbasher on November 23, 2011, 05:16:55 AM
Poo! I thought I'd come up with that idea and it's on my 2012 'to do' list. PLanning to use a Vampire T10 front end and canopy, plus the taller Mk 100 fin/rudder. Would be keen to see the plans you refer to Lee.

Ditto, but mine was going to be tandem seating.

Well we could still both do one each - mine side-by-side, yours tandem (the first 'duo build'!) , and we put them together when we're at the same show at whatever point next year. Will you be using the Airfix 'gift set' version?

JayBee · November 23, 2011, 06:52:27 AM

Hobby Boss Mk100/101 that I just happened to pick up at Telford.

Jim

The Wooksta! · November 23, 2011, 08:01:18 AM

I'd like to see a two seat P.1081, possibly using a Hunter T-bird front end.

ChrisF · November 27, 2011, 04:26:04 AM

Im actually building the 1-72 hobbyboss seahawk right now.. I do have some questions though... How is this kit for acuracy? As im building it as a replacement for an old Airfix Seahawk in a cabinet but ive noticed serious differences in shape, length ect.... And not just around the intakes/exhusts... $:-\$

Weaver · May 08, 2015, 01:50:21 PM

Slightly surprised to find that there wasn't a thread for these.. (if there is, the mods, please merge).

Anyway, been thinking a lot about Sea Hawks lately, and there have been some interesting suggestions and models, so I thought I'd put them in one place.

Tandem two-seater.

Side-by-side trainer using either a Hunter T.7 (Glenn's recent model) or a Vampire T.11 front end.

Side-by-side night fighter using a Sea Venom front end.

Stretched version, analogous to the later Banshees, with fuselage plugs either side of engine. Could be a night fighter or a bomber.

V-tailed version.

Tip tanks.

jcf · May 08, 2015, 02:02:54 PM

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