Avro CF-105 Arrow

[kitnut617]

kitnut617

Well, even the CF-105 was a bit ""short-legged"" to go that far, librarian.  The Mk.2 with the Iroquois only had a 600 mile radius of action.

I'm surprised the range was so poor considering it was designed to cruise supersonic w/o afterburner.

Erm  --- NOT!

http://va3kgb.ve3kbr.com/cf105/specifications.htm

[PR19_Kit]

An Arrow looks great no matter HOW short the range. 

I see at least one RAF one in my future. Do SAC do white metal wheels for a 1/72 Arrow? If not they ought to.

[kitnut617]

The original 1/72 Hobbycraft kit's main gear are a bit grim and way off the mark as to what they really looked like.  I don't know if the ""new tool"" 1/72 kit's are any better as I've not seen the kit.  On my first Hobbycraft CF-105 build (the corrected wing kit that is), I scratch-built some main gear to represent what appears in the Arrowhead book, someday I'll revisit it and try to do a much better job at it so I can include it in the VP kit that I now own the moulds too (which one day I'll put back into production)

[Librarian]

Well now, seeing as the Cold War is heating up again with Canada claiming the Arctic as sovereign territory and Russia declaring "Niet", maybe its time to dust off those blueprints.

[jcf]

Cold War heating up again? Mm, not that is an era that is as dead as the Norwegian Blue.

Any new bickering between Russia and the "West" is more a reset to the 19th century Great Game
than it is the 20th century conflict of economic ideologies.

Anyhow, whatever the case a warmed-over 1950s aircraft design aint' the answer for supposed defense needs. 

[Librarian]

Peter Hopkirk used to be a customer of mine and he fascinated me with his incredible knowledge of the Great Game. So much to know and so little time.

[eatthis]

am i right in thinking the f18 is canadas front line fighter/interceptor?
whats the range on them?

[rickshaw]

Peter Hopkirk used to be a customer of mine and he fascinated me with his incredible knowledge of the Great Game. So much to know and so little time.

I have several of Hopkirk's books.  They are excellent.  However, the "Great Game" referred to a specific geographic area - the North-West Frontier and Central Asia.  It also ended when the Afghans at British behest annexed the Wakhan region to form a buffer zone between the Russian and British Empires in the Hindu Kush.  While many American commentators (usually right-wing) have attempted to take the name for their machinations in Central Asia, it really isn't appropriate.

[KJ_Lesnick]

kitnut617

Erm  --- NOT!

http://va3kgb.ve3kbr.com/cf105/specifications.htm

I'm confused...

[Gondor]

Been following this discussion with interest and would like to build one in 1/72, but where would I get one?

Gondor

[KJ_Lesnick]

The whole idea of the Arrow having short range kind of gave me an idea based on one conceptual variant of the Arrow.  There was one that had forward swept ferri-intakes and drop tanks that had the gears tucked into them.

I don't like the idea truthfully of the landing-gear drop-tank idea, but the ferri-intake brings up a lot of interesting possibilities

• The Skyray, Skylancer, Voodoo, and Thud all had intakes that were fairly flat to their depth
  
• The Skyray, Thud, and Skylancer also had some blending of the wing and some of the outer-wall/nacelle to it.
  
• This could be elaborated into an area ruling of sorts with the wing put in a mid position rather than a top position
  
• This could make the fuselage stronger or lighter, and also free up room for fuel
  
• Furthermore it could also allow for a shorter landing-gear which caused a lot of weight problems in the aircraft
  
• The gears could also be repositioned
  

[Sauragnmon]

Conversely you could alter the model so that it's got a Low-mount wing, much like the Phantom - that would cut gear length significantly, you could still retain the in-wing gear folds, the only question might be how the airframe modification would affect the payload bay, as the wing starts about a quarter to a third of the way into the weapon bay's start position.

[Librarian]

Been following this discussion with interest and would like to build one in 1/72, but where would I get one?

Gondor

Some here:

http://www.kingkit.co.uk/search.php?pager=1&searchword=arrow

[Gondor]

Been following this discussion with interest and would like to build one in 1/72, but where would I get one?

Gondor

Some here:

http://www.kingkit.co.uk/search.php?pager=1&searchword=arrow

Yikes at the price!

Gondor

[PR19_Kit]

Been following this discussion with interest and would like to build one in 1/72, but where would I get one?

Gondor

Some here:

http://www.kingkit.co.uk/search.php?pager=1&searchword=arrow

Yikes at the price!

Gondor

And the 1/48 one is even worse, it's 'only' £54.....