Avro CF-105 Arrow

Librarian · December 22, 2013, 05:07:27 AM

....and I recall that both kits need some serious update parts to correct them

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kitnut617 · December 22, 2013, 10:16:38 AM

Quote from: Librarian on December 22, 2013, 05:07:27 AM
....and I recall that both kits need some serious update parts to correct them .

The first releases do, but both scales have been ""re-tooled"". I've not seen a kit of those personally. I know where I can get a 1/72 Hobbycraft one for C$38.00 (which might be the re-tooled release) and the 1/48 one is C$60. I've got four of the 1/72 early release too -- plus a couple of Mastercaster's excellent forward fuselage replacements.

kitnut617 · December 22, 2013, 10:25:20 AM

BTW, I didn't say the Arrow was short-ranged, I said the range radius was too short to leave Canadian airspace. At the time of it's conception it had very long range for an interceptor, and they wanted to make the range radius even greater, 1000-1200 miles (so a one-way flight they were looking at 2000-2400 miles). This was before in-flight refueling ---

The Big Gimper · September 20, 2015, 04:56:42 PM

Folks:

I am very privileged to come across some very rare Avro Arrow Memorabilia.

The two pictures below are scans from what I consider authentic photos borrowed from an ex-Avro employee who was employed as an Executive Assistant.

She worked first as an EA first for a RCAF Air Commodore (I am guessing the rank. Waiting for details. Her memory is not that good anymore) and later in the Avro Sales organization. It was in the sales department where she came to acquire these photos. The story as told to me by her son is that when visitors would come to the factory, they would layout a large number of photos as gifts and the pilots would go and pre-sign all of them. There sometimes would be leftovers which would be destroyed. She had the good frame of mind to take these as well as other now precious memorabilia.

The signatures are from Janusz Żurakowski and Wladyslaw Potocki ("Spud"). Note he signed it as "Spud".

Enjoy.

PR19_Kit · September 20, 2015, 05:17:44 PM

Super pics, and great to see Zura's signature on there. I saw him do his amazing 'cartwheel' in the Gloster 'Reaper' at Farnborough.

The only thing missing is the Rot. Hon. Deifenbacker impaled on the nose spike..............

Captain Canada · September 20, 2015, 06:07:41 PM

That is too cool ! You are lucky indeed. Love these old colour shots...what a gorgeous aeroplane. Thanks you so much for sharing !

Gondor · September 21, 2015, 03:22:06 AM

That's an interesting pair of pictures. I see from the second one that the canopy looks as if it splits down the middle and opens up like a clam shell.

Or is my interpretation of the picture wrong?

Gondor

kitnut617 · September 21, 2015, 03:35:16 AM

Quote from: Gondor on September 21, 2015, 03:22:06 AM
That's an interesting pair of pictures. I see from the second one that the canopy looks as if it splits down the middle and opens up like a clam shell.

Or is my interpretation of the picture wrong?

Gondor

That is how it worked Alastair. The VP moulds I have, have the canopy in two halves like that. I should try and get it back into production, but it isn't competitive at the moment (price wise that is although it's a better kit than what else is on the market)

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab340/ACpilot1/AvroNews.jpg

IMO, not the best way to get in and out of a cockpit

PR19_Kit · September 21, 2015, 04:11:58 AM

Were production Arrows intended to have a different canopy opening?

Thorvic · September 21, 2015, 05:08:00 AM

Quote from: PR19_Kit on September 21, 2015, 04:11:58 AM
Were production Arrows intended to have a different canopy opening?

Probably not as cancelled before common sense could come into effect, its one of those design features for adopted for Mach2+ aircraft when they felt the more conventional designs couldn't possibly cope with the speed and the air friction or to safely jettison when Ejecting.

Gondor · September 21, 2015, 06:28:32 AM

Thanks, I was wondering how the "£#@&" the pilot got in and out.

Gondor

Captain Canada · September 21, 2015, 06:43:32 AM

Long legs and lots of hand holding

sandiego89 · September 21, 2015, 01:18:33 PM

Good photos. Agree the spilt canopy leaves a bit to be desired for ease of access. I put the F-103 as the worst windscreen and ingress/egress system proposed with not only a periscope for forward viz, a downward ejection seat, plus but the entire seat/capsule lowering downwards on rails for the pilot to climb into.

I guess it did get away from those pesky ladders...

a few more that I scratch my head regarding windscreen, access and emergency escape:
-Tu-22
-CONVAIR SeaDart
-X-3
-Vulcan- seems they could have added a little more glass to the jettisonable canopy as things matured and high altitude pressurization was less of a concern. And putting the nose landing gear right behind the emergency bail out hatch (not to mention the three rear seaters having no ejection seats...)
-Victor
-Canberra. As just mentioned in an different thread- really awkward seating in a few versions.

Captain Canada · September 24, 2015, 06:38:25 AM

Marc-André Valiquette will be doing a talk this weekend at the Jet Aircraft Museum in London, Ontario. I might pop in, be an excuse to buy one or two of his books and check out the jets. He will also have a few bits from the real Arrow there, a gear door actuator and a drag cute.

https://www.facebook.com/marcandre.valiquette/posts/1641969422718037

kitnut617 · December 18, 2016, 09:15:23 AM

experimenting ---

OK, it works. I've been having a lot of problems with Photobucket lately, takes ages to open and when it does, it's always crashing. Especially when I have the forum open at the same time which makes down loading photos very difficult. So I've tried to do it differently, copied the link to an email, then copied that to here.