Gloster Javelin

[kitnut617]

and as a stand-off carrier for an advanced, and smaller, Blue Steel development.

This smaller Blue Steel has come up a few times in discussions, but I don't know where it fits in the grand scheme of things.  I've got BSP.Vol.4- Hypersonics --etc.
and I was hoping to read up on it but it is barely mentioned in the book.  Was it a 'still-born' project or is it real and maybe still in the inventory so completely off limits to Tony.

[Archibald]

Hmm, think its time to create a "CF-105 Arrow whatif ideas" thread    
Lots of old thread to resurrect...  

[rickshaw]

I've often wondered why the Javelin had such oddly shaped cockpit canopies.  The "double-bubble" seems a bit strange to say the least.

Now, does anybody have a three view drawing on the P.376 thin wing Javelin?

[pyro-manic]

There's one on page 54 of BSP: Jet Fighters, though it's fairly small.

A top view can be found here: http://www.wingweb.co.uk/Images/186/Gloster_P-376_Thin_Wing_Javelin

[PR19_Kit]

I've often wondered why the Javelin had such oddly shaped cockpit canopies.  The "double-bubble" seems a bit strange to say the least.

But it was a GLOSTER Javelin, which explains it all........ 

In passing, if you want to pretend you're flying a Jav, go down the M5 and just after Jct 12, where the road straightens out, you're driving down the main runway where all the production 'Flat Irons'flew from. Over to the left you can see the roof of one of the old hangars, now a garden centre for goodness sake!

[rickshaw]

I've often wondered why the Javelin had such oddly shaped cockpit canopies.  The "double-bubble" seems a bit strange to say the least.

But it was a GLOSTER Javelin, which explains it all........ 

Ah, OK, that explains a lot.

In passing, if you want to pretend you're flying a Jav, goown the M5 and just after Jct 12, where the road straightens out, you're driving down the main runway where all the production 'Flat Irons'flew from. Over to the left you can see the roof of one of the old hangars, now a garden centre for goodness sake!

Mmm, but difficult for me as I'm in Oz but I'll store that away for when I finally reach the Ol' Dart.

[PR19_Kit]

Mmm, but difficult for me as I'm in Oz but I'll store that away for when I finally reach the Ol' Dart.

Hehe, indeed, but to have a quicker look take a large spade and start digging, it'll be down about 7.7 thousand miles and across to the left a bit...... 

[jcf]

P.376 from Gloster Aircraft since 1917, Derek N. James, Putnam 2nd Ed. 1987.You cannot view this attachment.

[rickshaw]

Thanks for that.  Interesting intake design.  What missile is that its supposedly armed with?  Red Dean?

[kitnut617]

I was digging around in the stash boxes just now and came across the Hawk Javelin kit I have.  I found a sprue with some very odd looking missiles on it, but I can't figure out what they're supposed to represent (see pic). Anyone have any ideas to what they are ?  I've added a Sparrow alongside them for comparison

[PR19_Kit]

Robert,

Considering how old the Hawk Javelin is they're probably Hawk's idea of what a Sparrow looked like! There is a vague resemblance, but they're nowhere near a Firestreak or Red Top, are they?

[Weaver]

I've often wondered why the Javelin had such oddly shaped cockpit canopies.  The "double-bubble" seems a bit strange to say the least.

Now, does anybody have a three view drawing on the P.376 thin wing Javelin?

My guess is that:

a) a bit less surface area and s shallower drop-off at the back of the canopy means a bit less drag,

b) more panel space for a big radar scope at the expense of outside vision (back seater sits lower than pilot).

[jcf]

I was digging around in the stash boxes just now and came across the Hawk Javelin kit I have.  I found a sprue with some very odd looking missiles on it, but I can't figure out what they're supposed to represent (see pic). Anyone have any ideas to what they are ?  I've added a Sparrow alongside them for comparison

Sparrow I had the pointed delta main fins and long nose, but, it was longer than the Sparrow III.
So, based on the date of the original kit, it's probably just a kit designers WAG at the Sparrow,
or he just made up something that was suitably missile-y. 

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-7.html

[kitnut617]

Sparrow I had the pointed delta main fins and long nose, but, it was longer than the Sparrow III.
So, based on the date of the original kit, it's probably just a kit designers WAG at the Sparrow,
or he just made up something that was suitably missile-y. 

Robert,

Considering how old the Hawk Javelin is they're probably Hawk's idea of what a Sparrow looked like! There is a vague resemblance, but they're nowhere near a Firestreak or Red Top, are they?

They do look a bit like the Sparrow I don't they, only I think they must be about half the scale ---- dis-information back then perhaps --

[Weaver]

I think it's just a case of "Missile:Generic" to be honest....