submarine/carrier

[PolluxDeltaSeven]

Wow,nice drawing.Looks like a cross between an A-4 Skyhawk and that F-119 stealth fighter that came out a few years back. I like it.

Thanks!!
Actually, my inspiration was the A-4 Skyhawk and... the Jedi Fighter from Star Wars Episode II! 

Or they could be amphibious and simply taxi up a ramp into the hangars?

Hey! Never thought about that! An amphibious submarine! It could even carry hovercrafts with troops and vehicules!
That's not a "SSCVN" anymore, but a "SSLHD" or "SSLHA" !! 
With seaplane instead of Harrier!!

And we could keep the elevator for the helicopters, of course!! (Even if I fear that such a ship had to chose between the Air Wing and the troops, due to the size)


Hum, I think a Typhoon like submarine is a minimal size, what do you think?
Does anyone have the internal dimensions of a Typhoon Class SSBN? Or an approximation, at least?

[Rafael]

I LOVE the concept of a submarine/carrier. In fact, I've been searching the web for months for images about the subject.

Daedalus Transport/Carrier from Macross:


Another one with a trio of F-35 aboard


With Seaplanes:


A (Russian?) Landing Transport:




My Favorite, chinese model with two Typhoons supporting the Hangar/flying decks:




Silo-Launched Fighters


VTOL and CTOL carriers:


The whole-nine-yards-submarine-carrier


Transporter/Erector/Launcher


And this one...


Sorry if got carried out....

Rafa

[The Rat]

Sorry if got carried out....

Rafa

No need to apologize at all Rafa, those are SWEET! Some of them are so close to the pictures I had in my head that I get the feeling that my mind is being read by someone.

In a way I pity them. 

[Captain Canada]

Carried ( away ) out ? Are you kidding me ? What a treasure trove of info ! Thank you very much !!!!! Do you have the full sized images ? I'm definately saving those to my files !

[nev]

Yeah c'mon Todd-man, 'bout time you finished that sub carrier.

On a side not, when playing the classic Alpha Centuari, with its unit design feature, one of my favourites was to take a cruiser and add the submersible and carrier upgrades.  Sadly the upgrades didn't alter the appearence like changing one of the building blocks did (base type, armour, weapon etc).  Still, it was cool 

[Joe C-P]

I've got a Typhoon sub in a semi-state of finished-ness as a sub/carrier. Maybe I'll have to dig it out and show it off. Flying SHARs and Sea Kings. It's got a ski-jump that flips up in the front, and elevator in the front, and some bear trap devices on the back for recovery. After that, the a/c are sent down a ramp into the hangar for quick dives.

I did that with a Typhoon and some YaK-38s. Even the giant Typhoon, though, won't fit very many aircraft.

The bigger you make the sub, the easier it is to find, and the greater the risk of loss of buoyancy if there is a leak into the hangar. A hangar is simply a big space, and underwater those will fill up very quickly if breached.

JoeP

[cthulhu77]

Neat stuff. I wonder if the use of future composites would aid in the buildability of some of them...

[superhornet1015]

Hey Rafa,  That last one and the one before the Chinese one, thats what I'm talking about brother.Those look way cool,but there all way cool "what ifs". Got to love this web site.  




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[Rafael]

Thanks, guys!!!

This is one of the topics I dream the most about. As Greg says, it seems to me that with the advent of new materials technology, it would be possible to build a practical vessel of this type.

It remains to be seen how to circumvent the inconvenience of bis sized subs JoeP talks about.

Then, it comes to mind how a battle group centered on a carrier submarine would be organized, or what types of ships/boats would compose such group.

And then there's brother Superhornet's fabulous idea of a cargo/transport submarine. I can easily imagine a tender type boat. Or an LST type. Or an arsenal-ship.

And I remember an (1980s?) concept of a submarine oil transport made of concrete, depicted in one Popular Mechanics issue.

So much to imagine....

Here's two I believe are from fellow whiffers Bluesman, or Planeman:



This is from the Ace Combat Game (Sorry, I haven't been able to find other views from this beauty):


And this one, I can't remember where did I find it...


Enjoy, imagine, and dream!!!

Rafa

[Captain Canada]

Got to love this web site.                                                                                             

Amen, Brother Hornet !

[elmayerle]

One question, why couldn't you use Skyhook in conjunction with vstol fighters for your submarine carrier?  I could see it eliminating a number of the problems.  Still, though, I doubt you'd be able to operate that many aircraft from even a Typhoon-sized hull but it'd be interesting to work out.

[Devil_505]

If you're going the seaplane route, then try something derived from the Convair F2Y Sea Dart.  You could also try Zero Length Launchers like the Auerstadt submarine carrier from Macross Zero.

[Tuck]

Hey guys,

We might need a slight re-think of the subject, from a reality (I know BOO-HISS) standpoint.

I think the more probable scenario is as follows:

A smaller A/C carrying sub sneaks close to the coast of the enemy, partially surfaces and launches 6-8 A/C to penetrate enemy airspace and disable (i.e destroy) radar and communications, blinding the enemy from the main force, ala Desert Storm.

I think a more probable A/C carrying sub is along the lines of the original I-400 Japanese sub.  One tube-like compartment housing the A/C for a one-way exit from the sub.  The aircraft can mid-air refuel after the mission to make it back to a carrier or conventional land base.

You end up with a smaller sub.  Think of a converted Ohio class missle sub.  The "tubular" hangar is easier to waterproof, etc.

What do ya'll think?

Tuck

[jcf]

Hey guys,

We might need a slight re-think of the subject, from a reality (I know BOO-HISS) standpoint.

I think the more probable scenario is as follows:

A smaller A/C carrying sub sneaks close to the coast of the enemy, partially surfaces and launches 6-8 A/C to penetrate enemy airspace and disable (i.e destroy) radar and communications, blinding the enemy from the main force, ala Desert Storm.

I think a more probable A/C carrying sub is along the lines of the original I-400 Japanese sub.  One tube-like compartment housing the A/C for a one-way exit from the sub.  The aircraft can mid-air refuel after the mission to make it back to a carrier or conventional land base.

You end up with a smaller sub.  Think of a converted Ohio class missle sub.  The "tubular" hangar is easier to waterproof, etc.

What do ya'll think?

Tuck

Any of the scenarios posit an enemy with effective, advanced and large scale air and sea defenses, otherwise you wouldn't need a secret squirrel airplane-launching submarine to carry out your sneak attack. The other requirement would be that the target didn't have nuclear weapons, because its likely that most anybody who has nukes that was suddenly attacked by pop-up out-of-nowhere amphibious raiders would probably respond with their nukes and...

So what kind of target would require this level of stealth?

Jon

[Tuck]

Hey guys,

We might need a slight re-think of the subject, from a reality (I know BOO-HISS) standpoint.

I think the more probable scenario is as follows:

A smaller A/C carrying sub sneaks close to the coast of the enemy, partially surfaces and launches 6-8 A/C to penetrate enemy airspace and disable (i.e destroy) radar and communications, blinding the enemy from the main force, ala Desert Storm.

I think a more probable A/C carrying sub is along the lines of the original I-400 Japanese sub.  One tube-like compartment housing the A/C for a one-way exit from the sub.  The aircraft can mid-air refuel after the mission to make it back to a carrier or conventional land base.

You end up with a smaller sub.  Think of a converted Ohio class missle sub.  The "tubular" hangar is easier to waterproof, etc.

What do ya'll think?

Tuck

Any of the scenarios posit an enemy with effective, advanced and large scale air and sea defenses, otherwise you wouldn't need a secret squirrel airplane-launching submarine to carry out your sneak attack. The other requirement would be that the target didn't have nuclear weapons, because its likely that most anybody who has nukes that was suddenly attacked by pop-up out-of-nowhere amphibious raiders would probably respond with their nukes and...

So what kind of target would require this level of stealth?

Jon

Hmmm.  Fair enough.  Good points to consider.  I guess I meant it could be more like a special ops type operation, ala Seals or Rangers, etc to provide air support.  Overkill, maybe.

Tuck