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Weaver

#45
June 10, 2009, 04:18:37 AM
Apologies if this has already been discussed, but I don't have time to trawl through the site, I'm afraid.

Vulcan Kits:

I know about the Airfix one of course, and there's the Lindberg 1/96th "B1" with a straight leading edge, which has supposedly been re-released but I havn't seen one yet. Now I've just seen an old Revell kit claiming to be a B2, but which is 1/96th scale and has a straight leading edge.

Question: is the Revell kit the same as the Lindberg one, or is it different? If anyone has (or has had) the Revell kit, what's it like?

Many thanks.....
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kitnut617

#46
June 10, 2009, 06:47:32 AM
Quote from: Weaver on June 10, 2009, 04:18:37 AM
I know about the Airfix one of course, and there's the Lindberg 1/96th "B1" with a straight leading edge, which has supposedly been re-released but I havn't seen one yet. Now I've just seen an old Revell kit claiming to be a B2, but which is 1/96th scale and has a straight leading edge.

Question: is the Revell kit the same as the Lindberg one, or is it different? If anyone has (or has had) the Revell kit, what's it like?

Many thanks.....
My PAK-20 book says the the Lindberg one was reboxed by Revell.  See below -- (***) = rebox, [***] = scale
The Vulcan is well represented in kit form and in many scales & medium, Aeroclub [1/48];  Airfix (MPC), Formaplane, Frog, Hall Park, Nova Models, Rareplane [1/72];  Frog (Tri-ang/France, Tri-ang/NZ), Lindberg (Revell) [1/96];   Air Craft Models, Welsh Models, Wimco Hollows [1/144]

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thedarkmaster

#47
June 10, 2009, 06:48:36 AM

Been looking for the Lindberg Vulcan for a while now but it just doesn't seem to have hit the UK yet.
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Weaver

#48
June 10, 2009, 11:25:00 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on June 10, 2009, 06:47:32 AM
Quote from: Weaver on June 10, 2009, 04:18:37 AM
I know about the Airfix one of course, and there's the Lindberg 1/96th "B1" with a straight leading edge, which has supposedly been re-released but I havn't seen one yet. Now I've just seen an old Revell kit claiming to be a B2, but which is 1/96th scale and has a straight leading edge.

Question: is the Revell kit the same as the Lindberg one, or is it different? If anyone has (or has had) the Revell kit, what's it like?

Many thanks.....
My PAK-20 book says the the Lindberg one was reboxed by Revell.  See below -- (***) = rebox, [***] = scale
The Vulcan is well represented in kit form and in many scales & medium, Aeroclub [1/48];  Airfix (MPC), Formaplane, Frog, Hall Park, Nova Models, Rareplane [1/72];  Frog (Tri-ang/France, Tri-ang/NZ), Lindberg (Revell) [1/96];   Air Craft Models, Welsh Models, Wimco Hollows [1/144]



Cheers for that - I suspected it might be the Lindberg one.  :thumbsup:
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Daryl J.

#49
June 10, 2009, 02:00:43 PM
Somehow, the overall Vulcan shape seems to be quite compatible with blending in the stealthy concepts behind the F-22/F-35 and still wind up with a very sophisticated looking design.   Or did I mix up the red and white pills again?   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


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kitnut617

#50
June 10, 2009, 02:03:31 PM Last Edit: June 10, 2009, 02:05:34 PM by kitnut617
I believe the original concepts which led up to the Vulcan as we know it, was a flying wing with wingtip fin/rudders. It had four engines in the center, two above and two below.
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Mossie

#51
June 10, 2009, 03:09:48 PM
This is the earliest design I can find Robert.  It's a small pic, but it seems to be a pure flying wing with the configuration you mentioned & intake under the nose.

http://www.ianbottillustration.co.uk/images/avrovideos/Port-avro-main.html

There's some more in this link that you're familiar with, the 'hoover' design & the later version from the cover of BSP Bombers:
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PR19_Kit

#52
June 10, 2009, 03:30:36 PM
Mossie,

I like the version with the twin cockpits and the big letterbox intake. Never seen that before and it would make a great model if it's the same size as a Vulcan as built.

You could put the rest of your collection in the intake!  -_-
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kitnut617

#53
June 10, 2009, 06:15:37 PM
Those are the ones Simon   :thumbsup:

IIRC, Avro took some research from Lippisch's work.  I think the one shown on the BSP cover might be workable in 1/72 scale.
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rickshaw

#54
June 10, 2009, 07:00:25 PM
Quote from: kitnut617 on June 10, 2009, 06:15:37 PM
Those are the ones Simon   :thumbsup:

IIRC, Avro took some research from Lippisch's work.  I think the one shown on the BSP cover might be workable in 1/72 scale.

The Aerofax book on the Vulcan has more extensive coverage of the various preliminary designs and the proposed but never built variants, including the supersonic Vulcan.  Highly recommended.
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Weaver

#55
February 10, 2010, 04:15:10 AM
Okay, don't know why these sprang to mind but,

Two Silly Things to do with a Vulcan

1. Close Support version. Replace the radar with a cannon pack and add every Matra pod in your spares box under the wings.....

2. The Cheapskate Red Arrows version. Paint it sky blue with nine red Gnat sillouettes on the top and bottom and five smoke discharges along the trailing edge.....


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pyro-manic

#56
February 11, 2010, 10:58:37 AM
Heh, the bomb burst could be a bit messy then... ;D
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norseman

#57
February 12, 2010, 01:54:47 AM
Quote from: Aircav on December 29, 2008, 10:30:15 AM
Phase 6 top view



With 6 Skybolts this is a 72,000lb weapon load. I remember reading that with the upgraded Olympus engines they would have been good for over 30,000lb thrust each so probably a marginally supersonic Vulcan as well.

rickshaw

#58
February 12, 2010, 03:13:14 AM
I think the wing shape would have been the real limiting factor on that one.
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MAD

#59
February 12, 2010, 02:35:08 PM
I can not but wonder what the Vulcan may have been developed into had it not been for the RAF's waist of both money, time and resources with the development and fielding of three different V-Bomber types of to do the same role (Valiant, Vulcan and Victor)
I like to think that the likes of the Vulcan Phase 6 may have become a very useful and effective reality

QuoteMossie
I agree 100% 
AGM-69 SRAM would have been an excellent weapon for the RAF Vulcan fleet - with 1 x 8-round rotary launcher in the Vulcan bomb bay (as used by the USAF's B-52!) and a couple of larger yield free-fall nuclear bombs - as opposed to a single 'improved Blue Steel'. This would have allowed the RAF Vulcan fleet to blast its way through threatening Soviet Air Defences.

QuoteJeffry Fontaine
- I love the idea of the Vulcan's being equipped with the likes of the EVS as fitted to the USAF B-52 fleet!!
RAF Vulcan's at night flying NOE to avoid Su-15's.

I have always been a fan of a 1970's RAF adapting of the Vulcan Phase 6 design being adapted to incorporate minimal RCS and drag (which the RAF was all too well aware of as early as WWII!!) - eliminating the forward fuselage all together and incorporating the cockpit into the leading edge of the wing (would the weight saved by the elimination of the forward fuselage compensate somewhat for the fuel space loss by the incorporation of the cockpit into the wing itself???)
Also by this time frame (1970's) - electronics and nuclear weapons would have been much smaller and lighter (again compensating for loss of forward fuselage somewhat!). Main weapon carried being AGM-69 SRAM's in weapons bay

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