M113 'The Bucket'

[rallymodeller]

And also, don't forget that all M578-based vehicles are for all intents and purposes based on the M113 as well. Like the Chaparral, Tracked Hawk, the German rocket, missile and mine launchers, Tracked Rapier...

I'm quoting myself to make a correction. It was pointed out to me that I had a typo in my post .

In the above quote I mentioned the M578's commonality with the Bucket. However, what a difference one number can make. Here is an M578 Recovery Vehicle:

which is obviously on the same chassis as the M107/M110 family of SP Artillery.

What I meant to say was the M548, a completely different beast altogether:


We apologize for any confusion.

[Jschmus]

Here's an M113 vismod created by BAE Systems.  Looks almost like a live AFV, though.



And another.

[dy031101]

Here's a vismod the USA did.

Here's an M113 vismod created by BAE Systems.  Looks almost like a live AFV, though.

And another.

I'm thinking about taking it further and mounting a real turret onto the M113, (hopefully, if enough dismounts can still be carried) turning it into a MICV, hence the questions.

[dy031101]

Danish PNMK M/92 with 25mm Oerlikon Contraves KBA.

Materials that mentioned this one all refer to this as a fire support vehicle rather than anything that suggests any capacity for carrying dismounts...... so I guess I can assume that whatever space it has left is devoted to ammunitions?

FNSS also offer an ACV-300 with a BMP-3 turret (100mm 2A70 with coax 30mm 2A72).

Its capacity for dismount isn't disclosed, either (although it is refered to by many as a MICV/IFV)...... does anyone know the figure?

[Jschmus]

The basic AIFV carries seven infantry, not including the vehicle crew.  This is likely reduced in any fire support variant.

[dy031101]

ACV-300 can carry eight dismounts, the further development ACV-S is to have 25% more internal space (which means two more dismounts if the vehicle carries only pintle-mounted weapons?) and be able to support 75% more weight.

How many dismounts can I expect to be displaced by the installation of BMP-3 turret?

[GTX]

Oh yeah -- our ADATS launchers are pretty badass too:

Something I didn't know until recently about the ADATS system: the sighting system is directly related to the TADS/PNVS system on the nose of the Apache. How about that.

***Fixed your image link-jjf***

Oh yeah - I have always liked ADATS.  Always surprised it didn't get exported.

regards,

Greg

[dy031101]

Oh yeah -- our ADATS launchers are pretty badass too:

Something I didn't know until recently about the ADATS system: the sighting system is directly related to the TADS/PNVS system on the nose of the Apache. How about that.

Oh yeah - I have always liked ADATS.  Always surprised it didn't get exported.

ADATS is said to be much more expensive than single-purpose missiles although by how much wasn't explained in details.

[GINge!]

Oh yeah -- our ADATS launchers are pretty badass too:

Something I didn't know until recently about the ADATS system: the sighting system is directly related to the TADS/PNVS system on the nose of the Apache. How about that.

***Fixed your image link-jjf***

Ahh, 84987, that used to be one of mine in B Tp, 119 AD Bty RCA.

[GINge!]

Here's an M113 vismod ...
And another.

I tried building that one a few years ago, though mine is painted for NTC not the ones used at Ft Polk. The turret was pretty tricky, I ended up making a master out of epoxy and casting it in resin:

[dy031101]

Did you have to have done research on the interior of such vismod?

Namely, does the turret traverse?  Does it have a turret basket?  How many dismounts does the turret displace compared to stock M113?

[GINge!]

The turret interior (basket and FCS) replicates that of the bradley; that way crews posted to OPFOR at NTC remain current on their bradley drills.

As for dismounts, I am not sure. The hull is extended to add extra space for dismounts. One of the reasons the vismod was created is that dismounts were previously trucked around in 2.5 tonners that followed the Sheridan etc. The M113 means the dismounts are carried in the "bmp". I would estimate that 6-8 kitted soldiers could be carried.

[GTX]

Something dy031101 requested a while back - hopefully it is acceptable ( I had a dickens of a time getting suitable blanks to work with):



Regards,

Greg

[Maverick]

Steve,

Looking at Greg's lineart, the Turret is pretty much on the back line of the driver's position which would suggest that it's quite adequately placed.

Regards,

Mav

[Maverick]

Steve,

The basket underneath the M3 turret would be smaller than the overall turret diameter, thus, I feel that it still would be more than adequately placed.

Just to be sure on this, I checked a 35th scale model of the M113 with an M3 turret (Both of which I have on hand) and can happily confirm my initial thoughts.

Also, having served aboard the M113 I can also confirm that the engine bay doesn't move significantly past the driver's position.

Regards,

Mav