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Balkan Armour Funnies (56k beware)

Started by Gervasius, February 01, 2008, 01:37:38 AM

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Gervasius

If anyone is interested, here is a small collection of local mods and rebuilds. Strapping aircraft rocket launchers on trucks, turret/chassis combos, you name it.

All from local conflicts in first half 1990's.

2S1 Gvozdika SP howitzer chassis with BVP turret:



TAM Truck, with homebuilt armour. Armed with 2 57mm rocket pods, and two 70mm pods (Mighty Mouse rockets!)



Another armored truck, with two K-13 (AA-2 Atolls) missiles.



One more truck with K-13s



T-55 chassis with M18 Hellcat turret




Another APC with rockets:



My favorite, four K-13 AAM engines strapped to a FAB-250 bomb.



Variant of the above, 107mm MLR rocket and FAB-100 bomb




Styx on SA-2 launcher.



Orkan MLR rocket on german 88mm Flak chassis



Tremble, mortals! Armored tractor!



These are not my pics, I found them on the web here: http://oklop2.tripod.com/made_in_war/war1.htm

(mods, if this should be on another forum, feel free to move it)

Marko
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Baldrick: No, but I have done a lot of Airfix models in my time.

r16

these contraptions rarely work , yet when they do , they can do alot . Appearently the F-117 was downed by an AAM and Pentagon had to find a reasonable explanation . I have seen pictures of  AAMs mounted on 20 mm flak mounts at the time .

Maverick

Awesome find Marko,

Thanks for sharing.  I love those Balkans knockups, they look like 'whiffers gone wild'

Mav

Nick

Mr T would be proud of that tractor!

They might only kill people with laughter but the A-Team could make a sure if slow breakout with that thing ;D

Hobbes

Quote from: r16 on February 01, 2008, 01:49:38 AM
Appearently the F-117 was downed by an AAM and Pentagon had to find a reasonable explanation .

I thought that F-117 was shot down by an SA-3, with some improvised additions to the guidance system?

Wyrmshadow

Quote from: Hobbes on February 01, 2008, 05:22:16 AM
Quote from: r16 on February 01, 2008, 01:49:38 AM
Appearently the F-117 was downed by an AAM and Pentagon had to find a reasonable explanation .

I thought that F-117 was shot down by an SA-3, with some improvised additions to the guidance system?
In Air Force class it was explained to me that it was a Perfect Storm of factors.

The Serbs paid attention to the flights.. Idiot USAF pilots followed the same route in and out of their targets. Big Black plane flying underneath a grey cloud deck shows up clearly. Fire a barage of IR SAM's and bingo. You just got yourself a propaganda victory.
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B777LR

Improvising is not always bad. The German army (and particularly Rommel) improvised alot to win large land areas at teh beginning of the war. Examples would be captured british vehicles, and damaged italian and czech vehicles.

r16

ı base my sentence on an article by Roy Braybrook in maybe Armada ; it says that a Russian engineer told him it was an AAM while they were talking during an airshow . Which necessarily does not apply it was air to air but still it was a gift to Serbians . A dead F-117 beats any A-10 picture posted as being shotdown while it is just a flare launching aircraft in a NATO exercise .

since they had "proved their honour", they could "surrender" .

this post contains nothing negative about anyone .

BadersBusCompany

Great photos! My Favourite has to be the tractor.............real Mad Max!!

Joe C-P

Quote from: Wyrmshadow on February 01, 2008, 06:05:25 AM
Quote from: Hobbes on February 01, 2008, 05:22:16 AM
Quote from: r16 on February 01, 2008, 01:49:38 AM
Appearently the F-117 was downed by an AAM and Pentagon had to find a reasonable explanation .

I thought that F-117 was shot down by an SA-3, with some improvised additions to the guidance system?
In Air Force class it was explained to me that it was a Perfect Storm of factors.

The Serbs paid attention to the flights.. Idiot USAF pilots followed the same route in and out of their targets. Big Black plane flying underneath a grey cloud deck shows up clearly. Fire a barage of IR SAM's and bingo. You just got yourself a propaganda victory.

Hell, they were doing that back in Vietnam, too, helping the NVA shoot down bombers. Night after night of the B-52s flying the exact same route at the same times.
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

I had also heard they used reflections from cell phone signals, though the above sounds more plausible.
In want of hobby space!  The kitchen table is never stable.  Still managing to get some building done.

r16

bistatic radars were supposed to be the solution against F-117 like   "signal dispersing" types , but I would say the tracking and probably the detection was optical .

r16

by the way the planners who sent the B-52s on the same tracks night after night were actually on a good thing .The tracks made sure that the jamming planes knew where to be and escorts could open fire on any aircraft that converged on the big boys ; since the game plan was well known , if you were at a wrong place you were the enemy . Sparrow was a capacity unmatched by the North Vietnamese and it could make very effective beam attacks on the interceptors , but you had to be sure the target on the scope was the enemy . The plan allowed a sureness that the daylight raids lacked ; here the consorts couldn't even try to manouvre to defend themselves , but they actually didn't need it .

this was probably the only time that a section of 3 bombers could effectively defend itself  as the formations flown resulted in a volume without gaps in electronic protection . Jamming was so effective that NVN had to send up fighters to check whether the contacts were real targets and then they had to spot for balistically fired SAMS , as the Flak was uneffective at 'Fortress altitude .

the Vietnamese ran out of SAMs not because their communications were interdicted , but they were wasting them .

the  B-52s lost were the ones who were not in threes . The massacre that happened on one night  was due to winds dispersing the chaff wall on one side of the track .