What if...not anymore

[Shasper]

TA-4s to be exact IIRC.

Shas

[Jennings]

I believe all the FY55 and FY56 model KC-135s have been retired, but there are lots of FY57 birds (mainly delivered during 1958) still in USAF service.  Only the H model B-52s are still in service, all of which are FY60 & FY61 models.  I'm not aware of any older aircraft still in service in the USAF, and I'd wager that other than perhaps some odd T-33 someplace (which are becoming quite rare), there are no older airplanes still in active service other than the Basler C/AC-47s.  Those have been basically remanufactured into essentially new airplanes however...

J

[B777LR]

The South African AF has DC-3s (many, if not all converted to dakletons or turbo dakotas)

The RAF has a couple of Spitfires, Hurricanes and a Lanc + C-47, aka BoB memorial flight... (well they arent in a museum )

Again, the SAAF has C-130Bs (very upgraded)

The French C-130s are also very old (i beleive they inherited the first ones from Angola or Congo...)

[dragon]

lots of old stuff all around Latin America: Bolivian T-33s, Mexican UH-1Hs, El Salvadorean Fouga Magisters, Cuba must have some ancient stuff....

[B777LR]

Cuba must have some ancient stuff....

Not really, looks alot like many middle-eastern airforce, as well as Easterb Europe:

Wikipedia says following:

Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed x 8
MiG-21MF x4
MiG-21UM x4
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Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23 Flogger  x 18
MiG-23MF/MS x6
MiG-23ML x10
MiG-23UB x2
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Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 Fulcrum  x 3
MiG-29B x 2
MiG-29UB x 1
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Mil Mi-8 Hip x6
Mi-8T x4
Mi-8TKV x2
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Mil Mi-17 Hip-H  x 8
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Mil Mi-24 Hind x 4
Mi-24D x 4
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Antonov An-24 Coke 
An-24 x 4
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Antonov An-26 Curl 
An-26 x 3
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Yakovlev Yak-40 Codling 
Yak-40 x 3
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Ilyushin Il-62 
Il-62 x 1
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Ilyushin Il-96 
Il-96 x 2
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Aero L-39 Albatros 
L-39C x 7
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Zlin Z-326 
Z-326T x 20

[Martin H]

The French C-130s are also very old (i beleive they inherited the first ones from Angola or Congo...)

The french herks are amoung the youngest H models out there. they were very late to join the C 130 owners club

[Svaz]

  An xC-135 is *NOT* a 707!  It's a Boeing 717!!

Isn't the 717 a re-engined and definitive DC-9/MD-8x/MD-90?

Not that a tactical gray Maddog w/ trailing twin drogues wouldn't look cool and all, but I'm confused ... 

[B777LR]

The French C-130s are also very old (i beleive they inherited the first ones from Angola or Congo...)

The french herks are amoung the youngest H models out there. they were very late to join the C 130 owners club

Also the 4 or 5 ex-african ones?

An xC-135 is *NOT* a 707!  It's a Boeing 717!!

Isn't the 717 a re-engined and definitive DC-9/MD-8x/MD-90?

To older people the 717 is a version of the 707, to younger generations the 717 is the MD-90 with glass cockpit. Both were named 717, but since the first 717 was based on the 707, and was a military jet they dropped it.

[P1127]

In military service (if not an Air Force) the Qinetiq/AAEE Harvard must be in with a shout - 70 years of Harvards in British Mil Service this year.

[Shasper]

The 717(C-135) Came first, then the commercial 707 followed, both were based off the Dash 80 prototype.

The "new" 717 is a furthered stretched & refined MD-80 derivative, less than a hundred were sold IIRC & Boeing axed the program.


Shas

[Jennings]

The 717(C-135) Came first, then the commercial 707 followed, both were based off the Dash 80 prototype.

The "new" 717 is a furthered stretched & refined MD-80 derivative, less than a hundred were sold IIRC & Boeing axed the program.

Shas is correct on the first point.  The original Boeing 717 was the C-135 series.

The 'current' (although no longer in production) "Boeing 717" is the McDonnell Douglas MD-95.  It's not a stretched MD-80, but rather a massively updated version of the old DC-9-30 with BR700 engines and the latest MD-90 avionics and cockpit.  The last one was just delivered last year.  Main customers were AirTran and Midwest.  It was the final gasp of both the DC-9 program, and of the lineage of commercial transport aircraft that started with the DC-1 in the early 1930s.

The dolt at Boeing who decided to name the MD-95 the 717 should be taken out and drawn and quartered, and the individual pieces shot prior to being drowned.

J

[Shasper]

So I stand corrected, given my knowhow of the MD series of DC-9 variants is not my strong suit. (When I first saw the 717 I knew it was longer than the "stock" MD-80, hence my assumption)

Shas

[Jennings]

So I stand corrected, given my knowhow of the MD series of DC-9 variants is not my strong suit. (When I first saw the 717 I knew it was longer than the "stock" MD-80, hence my assumption)

Shas

It's actually quite a bit shorter than an MD-80   It's the same fuselage length as the DC-9-30, which is about 20' shorter than an MD-80 is...

In any event, nothing that came out of Long Beach can ever be a 717 in my book...

J

[Shasper]

I'll take yer word for it mate, all I know is that its got that DC-9/MD-80 look :-?

Shas

[Blacklion213]

again from www.alert5.com

NSAWC is getting 4 E-2C permentlt assingned to it, E-2 in flanker camo *homer* ummmmmmmm.....