Микоян - Гуревич, МиГ-21 [Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21] NATO Reporting Name FISHBED

[Sauragnmon]

I have an Su-22 sitting here on my shelf that's booked for a few modifications, to convert it into a fixed delta-tail like the MiG-21 on growth hormones, but definately, it would be the ultimate final level of this, to have a single engined nosebreather (they're just too damn sexy in Fishbed style) with something like the R-25 or the D-30F6 engines from the monster fighters.  Sheer insanity to do it, and you'd have to make some serious design changes to accomodate such monster engines, but you can bet they'd look faster than hell standing still.

[dy031101]

I bet MiG's Su-15/21 stablemate would've been basically a Shenyang F-8II.

Like this?



I used the Ye-152A as the basis since it is more reliable than the other, single-engined Ye-152 prototypes.  The lateral intake and solid nose arrangement of the J-8II was allegedly made after the SAC had a look at the MiG-23 the PRC acquired from Egypt...... so I give the Ye-152 Mod the same update based on those from the MiG-23-01 Faithless.

[dy031101]

I'm relocating this picture here because I think this thread is more appropriate......

Ah~ the good time I had with Airforce Delta Storm...... it ain't no Ace Combat, but it is IMHO the most visually-pleasing title of the Airforce Delta franchise.

Okay, to the topic.  This is one of the boss jets in the game.  And a tough one, too, capable of absorbing quite a bit of damage before going down.

Basically this jet is two MiG-21MF/bis twinned together.  I think this one is cute (this is coming from a person who normally dislikes MiG-21/J-7 family) and, IMHO, worth making a project of.  Maybe somewhere down the road in the 3DS Max......

I'm thinking...... maybe one nose radome would house a ground attack sensor suite (a la Su-17/22) while the other would have a sophisticated radar (with one crew member dedicated to operate these systems)......

[Sauragnmon]

It would seem, to me, that they would need somehow to increase the ammount of lifting area on the aircraft, since they in effect doubled the surface weight, without increasing wing area - she'd have wing loading that would drive people insane.  Probably widen the wingspan, perhaps alter the chord, or give her wingtip rails like they tried, as the widened chord at the tip, combined with more span, would give her more wing area.  Additionally, you could take the centerline, and give it a continuous chord section between the two fuselages, even to the point of running a full length lifting body area between the two engines, a Tomcat-esque pancake.  Sensor suite, you could likely take a Fitter's suite in one nose, and the other one, if you expanded the nose, could equally fit the housing for a decent radar.  Or, you could tie it in to my next concept:

I was thinking - the MiG-21's nose is actually about the same size as the Fulcrum - we could solid nose that, and give it a Ye-8 chin intake.  The fuselage can house the RD-33 engine, so we could in essence get the thrust package of the MiG-29 on this fuselage.  The Fitter nose could likely also fit into the same nose section without needing the intake trunked around it, so we have the whole layout possible.

[dy031101]

Probably widen the wingspan, perhaps alter the chord, or give her wingtip rails like they tried, as the widened chord at the tip, combined with more span, would give her more wing area.  Additionally, you could take the centerline, and give it a continuous chord section between the two fuselages, even to the point of running a full length lifting body area between the two engines, a Tomcat-esque pancake.

I've only thought about centreline lifting bodies without swept-back.  Like the F-82 twin-Mustang.

(For asthetics sake I've resisted the idea of altering the outer wings.    But it's only in my head so far, so anything is still open.)

[redstar72]

Suppose Sukhoi had developed a Su-9/11 with a MiG-25 engine, as in the MiG Ye-150

They really designed something like this - T-37!

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/xplane/t37.html
http://www.sergib.agava.ru/russia/sukhoi/t/37/t37.htm

or even a twin engined Su-9/11, paralleling MiG's Ye-152, much like an open-nosed Su-15.

This was also real, and even was tested in flight! It was T-5 prototype with two R-11F-300 engines, flown first time at July 18, 1958, and tested until May 1959.

[Fulcrum]

Thread revival time!!!!

I had a idea over the past 2 days of a stealth Mig-21(paint the radome intake with rcs-reducing material, modify the delta wing to more of a diamond shape & replace the horizontal taliplanes with f-16/f-35 style tailplanes. Plus replacing the vertical fin with a stanted v-style fins).

[Sauragnmon]

Interesting, though I am left to wonder - RCS reducing material on the radome, wouldn't that reduce the radar's own effectiveness since most such material is Radar Absorbent?  That aside, it's an interesting concept, and certainly a bigger main wing would be handy, as with the adapted tailplanes.  The vertical stabilizer I am not sure on, though giving it a modern tail top like the Fulcrum and Flanker would give it some semblance of a bit more stabilization.  Additionally, one could give it an externalized nozzle and give it a LOAN style nozzle to reduce the IR signature of the engine, while including a modernized engine to increase thrust/weight ratio, possibly thrust vectoring to further up its maneuverability.

[Fulcrum]

that would be a cool idea

[KJ_Lesnick]

Imagine a MiG-21 combined with LERX's and chine-shelves, possibly area-ruling *drools*

[Weaver]

I have NO IDEA how this would pan out aerodynamically, but the idea of a stealth MiG-21 made me immediately think of cutting the intake lip into "stealthy" zig-zags like F-117 u/c doors.....

[Radish]

Don't forget the Mick Coyne Irish Air Corps MicK-21 Fishface, here in Wizard configuration....

[dy031101]

Looks like CAIG built a full-size mockup of J-7MF (called LSF) forward fuselage.

[Black Knight]

Quick mig 21 heavily modified mig 29 trainer? 

[Sauragnmon]

Dy, that LSF looks like the fuzzy bunny child of a MiG-21 and an F-16 I swear.