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Panavia Tornado, MRCA, 100, and 300

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overscan

#30
July 12, 2007, 10:22:08 AM
Top mounted, I'd say.
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ysi_maniac

#31
July 12, 2007, 10:24:10 AM
QuoteOr just enlarged side intakes ?  :wub:
This option.

Besides, they can be simpler: enlarged version of those of Jaguar.

Carlos.
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B777LR

#32
July 12, 2007, 11:11:30 AM
QuoteTop mounted, I'd say.
The tornaod had an enormous tail. Why not put it into the spine-tail?

ysi_maniac

#33
July 12, 2007, 12:12:01 PM
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QuoteTop mounted, I'd say.
The tornaod had an enormous tail. Why not put it into the spine-tail?
Flying in high alpha (AoA) spine intake will not receive airflow, which can be a serious problem IMHO.
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elmayerle

#34
July 12, 2007, 05:37:55 PM
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QuoteTop mounted, I'd say.
The tornaod had an enormous tail. Why not put it into the spine-tail?
Flying in high alpha (AoA) spine intake will not receive airflow, which can be a serious problem IMHO.
Not always.  A careful tailoring of the LERX can provide controlled vortices to feed a dorsal inlet up to impressive AoAs, at least that's the data published a quarter-century ago in some AIAA papers.  Soon after that, though, all mention disappeared from unclassified literature.
"Reality is the leading cause of stress amongst those in touch with it."
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Archibald

#35
July 12, 2007, 10:56:24 PM
I've modified my own Tornado... I had build airfix Tornado GR.4 in french colors with an ASMP under the belly.
But I needed its intakes for my General dynamics 200 V/STOL fighter...
So I cut the Tornado intakes, but as I never scrap my models, this Tornado needed new intakes.
Well, it has now F-35 stealth intakes left by the Mako build  :wub:
The Tornado looks waaay better with them...

I remember that someone mentioned a super Tornado study of the 90's featuring stealth intakes, among other goodies...  
King Arthur: Can we come up and have a look?
French Soldier: Of course not. You're English types.
King Arthur: What are you then?
French Soldier: I'm French. Why do you think I have this outrageous accent, you silly king?

Well regardless I would rather take my chance out there on the ocean, that to stay here and die on this poo-hole island spending the rest of my life talking to a gosh darn VOLLEYBALL.

Mossie

#36
July 13, 2007, 02:05:42 AM
QuoteSeriously though, why on earth would the Panavia 300 be flying at high alpha...
Evasion?  Handy if you've got a SAM or Flanker on your tail!
I don't think it's nice, you laughin'. You see, my mule don't like people laughin'. He gets the crazy idea you're laughin' at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

Archibald

#37
July 13, 2007, 02:08:08 AM
Quote
QuoteSeriously though, why on earth would the Panavia 300 be flying at high alpha...
Evasion?  Handy if you've got a SAM or Flanker on your tail!
Cobra manoeuver, to mistake the Su-27 Mossie mentionned...  :rolleyes:  
King Arthur: Can we come up and have a look?
French Soldier: Of course not. You're English types.
King Arthur: What are you then?
French Soldier: I'm French. Why do you think I have this outrageous accent, you silly king?

Well regardless I would rather take my chance out there on the ocean, that to stay here and die on this poo-hole island spending the rest of my life talking to a gosh darn VOLLEYBALL.

B777LR

#38
July 13, 2007, 02:20:22 AM
Quote
QuoteSeriously though, why on earth would the Panavia 300 be flying at high alpha...
Evasion?  Handy if you've got a SAM or Flanker on your tail!
But the flanker can turn round and come back and hit the -300 again ;)  

Hobbes

#39
July 13, 2007, 11:34:59 AM
QuoteI've modified my own Tornado... ...
Well, it has now F-35 stealth intakes left by the Mako build  :wub:
The Tornado looks waaay better with them...

I remember that someone mentioned a super Tornado study of the 90's featuring stealth intakes, among other goodies...
That study is the 'Tornado 2000'. Do you have pictures of your modified kit?  

B777LR

#40
July 13, 2007, 11:56:33 AM
QuoteOr shot down the tornado by firing a R-27 to the rear  :lol:
I would generally prefer a nice starter of R-77s, followed by a main course consisting of R-73s, along with a nice springle of cannon shells  :D  

Archibald

#41
July 13, 2007, 12:05:53 PM Last Edit: July 13, 2007, 12:06:34 PM by Archibald
Quote
QuoteI've modified my own Tornado... ...
Well, it has now F-35 stealth intakes left by the Mako build  :wub:
The Tornado looks waaay better with them...

I remember that someone mentioned a super Tornado study of the 90's featuring stealth intakes, among other goodies...
That study is the 'Tornado 2000'. Do you have pictures of your modified kit?
Not actually, but I'll do some and post them ok ?
I'll be interested to know what others mods the Tornado-2000 had...  
King Arthur: Can we come up and have a look?
French Soldier: Of course not. You're English types.
King Arthur: What are you then?
French Soldier: I'm French. Why do you think I have this outrageous accent, you silly king?

Well regardless I would rather take my chance out there on the ocean, that to stay here and die on this poo-hole island spending the rest of my life talking to a gosh darn VOLLEYBALL.

Hobbes

#42
July 13, 2007, 12:54:29 PM Last Edit: July 13, 2007, 12:58:30 PM by Hobbes



(from this thread)

this thread also contains some information on the Tornado 2000 and another advanced Tornado proposal, the 'long range penetrator'.  

Archibald

#43
July 13, 2007, 01:12:40 PM
This really give me idea... I love this HUGE conformal tank! And I'm already seeking how building this faceted forward fuselage  :wub:  
Thanks to you I think I'll totally rebuild and paint my old GR.4  :cheers:  
Maybe I won't add the fuselage plug (maybe...) but I'll add others goodies mentioned in the article.
another interesting build...  :wub:    
King Arthur: Can we come up and have a look?
French Soldier: Of course not. You're English types.
King Arthur: What are you then?
French Soldier: I'm French. Why do you think I have this outrageous accent, you silly king?

Well regardless I would rather take my chance out there on the ocean, that to stay here and die on this poo-hole island spending the rest of my life talking to a gosh darn VOLLEYBALL.

elmayerle

#44
July 14, 2007, 09:33:16 PM
The inlets look like you could take those from the YF-22 or F-22 and reduce their height for use here.  I've got a couple Yf-22 kits scheduled to give their wings to other projects, so I could kibbage one set of inlets for doing one of these.
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--Jane Wagner and Lily Tomlin
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