MiG-19/J-6/Q-5, and I-370 (parallel develpment)

[Deino]

There were alltogether - as far as I know - five different types of Q-5 fitted with a radar !

1. a testbed of the early prototypes/pre-serials (no. 15 ??) fitted with a radar originally planned for the serial version.
2. the first version of the naval bird with a very strange nose !
3. the second version of the naval bomber Q-5B ...
4. the modernised version called A-5M with the avionics of the Italian AMX
5. a just only recently discovered late model with the no. 144 (status unknown)

Deino

[Deino]

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[Deino]

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[Deino]

4. + 5.  Cheers, Deino   

[Deino]

Regarding a kit in 1/72 ... there is (or was) one from "Alliance" in resin !

For a review: http://www.flugzeugforum.de/forum/showthread.php?t=3828&highlight=Q-5

http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=ALL72013

Deino

[Geoff]

Cheers Deino; It was the A5M I was thinking of.

[jcf]

I heard that the last of the parallel (to MiG-19) projects that actually flew is the I-370 with a Klimov VK-7 turbojet.  Which of the opinions is correct?  "Very good" or "a disappointment"?

According to "MiG: Fifty Years of Secret Aircraft Design" one of the test pilots found the I-370 to be pleasant to fly and that it reached Mach 1.334, however even after being fitted with a 57 degree swept wing the aircraft never reached its designed speed. So it was both "very good" and "a disappointment".  Which describes a lot of prototypes over the years.

BTW the Klimov VK-7 was Nene-based and had a two-stage centrifugal compressor.

Jon

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Image number two looks like a kit bash between an A-4 Skyhawk nose and the Q-5. 

[Sentinel Chicken]

If I'm not mistaken, the first Q-5B with the weird drooped nose was to be a jet torpedo bomber!

[Deino]

If I'm not mistaken, the first Q-5B with the weird drooped nose was to be a jet torpedo bomber!

Yep ... !!   

[dy031101]

I feel that Aircraft 144 actually looks better than A-5M......

Oh and, Deino, do you have the "Q-5 with wingtip PL-7s" photo?  Not under the wingtips like Pakistani F-6 or other Q-5/A-5, but right on the wingtips like AMX?

BTW the Klimov VK-7 was Nene-based and had a two-stage centrifugal compressor.

What's the difference between VK-7F and Tay such that VK-7F could actually propel I-370 to supersonic speed?

Or does it have more to do with the aircraft that carried those two engines respectively?

[Deino]

I feel that Aircraft 144 actually looks better than A-5M......

Oh and, Deino, do you have the "Q-5 with wingtip PL-7s" photo?  Not under the wingtips like Pakistani F-6 or other Q-5/A-5, but right on the wingtips like AMX?

No ! Do You have ... I would be interested very much !

Deino

[upnorth]

For anyone interested, here's something of a walkaround I did of a rather neglected MiG-19 a year or so ago.

http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/kevan_vogler/mig-19s/

[jcf]

What's the difference between VK-7F and Tay such that VK-7F could actually propel I-370 to supersonic speed?

Or does it have more to do with the aircraft that carried those two engines respectively?

Rolls-Royce RB.44 Tay:
Single-stage centrifugal compressor; 2,835kp (6,250 lb) thrust

Klimov VK-7:
Two-stage centrifugal compressor; 4,200kp (9,261 lb) thrust dry - 6,270kp (13,825 lb) thrust with afterburner

License built Hispano-Suiza and Pratt & Whitney versions of the Tay were of similar performance, the afterburner equipped P & W J48 variants produced less power than the VK-7 without afterburner.

As to the other question, the I-370 does appear to be somewhat slicker than the Grumman and Lockheed aircraft that used the J48.

Jon

[Archibald]

Thinking about Spinners thread... A-5C were cannon-fodders for the F-22 in
Novalogic F-22 series   
I killed them zilions of times...