Mi-24 Hind

[Matt_S]

Recently, I came up with the idea of an Mi-24 modified for Special Operations support (like an MH-60).  What do you think of this?

:dr

Matt :TT

[Aircav]

Hi' Matt_S,
The Hind looks mean as it is but converted to a \"MH\" type it would look even more so.
You could fit a flight refueling probe, FLIR turret, long range drop tanks, some sort of radar, a large search light and maybe change the gun for a Hughes chain-drive 30mm cannon.
As for colours, Eastern Europe or the West ?, Polish, Hungarian,Russian,Czech,German,Finnish,French,Italian,Danish,Norwegian ?
A wrap-round scheme would look good I think.
Or you could even do it as a para-military police helicopter, Moscow police or Bundesgrunschutz.

All the best
Steve

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[Radish]

:t Rear cabin gunners....try it bristling with hardware. You can always argue that the engines have been uprated. Extra fuel, of course and some more lumps/bumps for new equipment.
Camo.....a splinter would look cool, as would one of those Russian Special Forces camos in blues/white/black?
Or The Republic Of south Derbyshire? I wanted to declare UDI a couple of years ago when my village was cut off from floods. We had an oil-based economy....well, neighbour paul said he had some in his garage!,  and Mi-24s would do very nicely operating from The White Swan's carpark. :ta

[Matt_S]

Camo.....a splinter would look cool, as would one of those Russian Special Forces camos in blues/white/black?

Do you know where I can find pictures of these camo schemes? :-/

Thanks,
Matt :TT

[dy031101]

I have in mind something that could be interesting (you be the judge).

It all began when I revisited the website of an old computer game "Force 21".

In the game, PLA has a reverse-engineered version of Hind.

Then I stumbled across the info that Americans converted some S-55 into Hind-surrogate for training.

So how could the PLA Hind, which was refered to in the game as Cheetah Heavy Attack Helicopter, have happened in the alternate history?

Could they have obtained a few examples from various sources and reverse-engineer the chopper?  They have done it with BMP-1 and features of MiG-23, so Mi-24 ought to have been possible.

Or they might have decided to breath a new lease of live into the Harbin Z-5 or even the abortive Z-6 (which was based on an enlarged Z-5) helicopters, (in Z-5) switched around cockpit and engine arrangement, and give them the kind of visual modifications of S-55 Hind-surrogate except that all features- forward fuselage, cockpit, new rotors, stub wings, and hardpoints- are very much functional.  The helicopters have the obligatory improved protection and a (or even two like real Hinds) more powerful turboshaft engine.

Reversed-engineered Hind should have most of the original features and the built-in armament (12.7mm gatling gun or twin 30mm cannon) although I'm tempted to imagine an early Z-5/Z-6 conversion with a single-barrelled 12.7mm MG in the nose.  Other armaments included rocket pods and HJ-73 ATGM, later joined by HJ-8 ATGM, TY-90 AAM, and HJ-10 ATGM as they became available.

Below are "Cheetah" as seen in the game "Force 21" and pics of S-55 Hind surrogate.

[GTX]

What if the Hind was actually a Kamov co-axial rotor design - I give you the Ka-24D:



Regards,

Greg

[GTX]

Hi folks,

Revisiting old threads here - what about a Hind with a pusher tail like the X-49A "Speedhawk" .  Make a Hind go even faster!



Regards,

Greg

Now rendered:



Regards,

Greg

[Taiidantomcat]

  Awesome i was just thinking of this the other day! Co-Ax rotors on non Kamov designs i was thinking Mi-18, 24, 26 and 10. You read my mind!!

[GTX]

In 2008, Russia took the unprecedented step of modifying old Mi-24D Hinds into Autonomously Piloted Assault Transports:



Regards,

Greg

[Maverick]

Interesting ideas Greg,

With the autonomous transport... what is it carrying??  UGVs?   Couldn't see humans being transported myself.

Regards,

Mav

[GTX]

Interesting ideas Greg,

With the autonomous transport... what is it carrying??  UGVs?   Couldn't see humans being transported myself.

Regards,

Mav

It's carrying human troops - the autonomous piloting gets around the need to keep pilot hours up.  Of course when Skynet takes over, these become deadly...

Regards,

Greg

[Geoff]

dy,
Perhaps when the PRC supplied F-6's to Egypt along with the Mig-23s part of the payment was a small number of Hinds?
The initial production batch could be standard Mi-24 "Hind D"'s, (Z-?). With progressive changes made to the design as time goes on in the same way the J-7I (Mig-21F) has been developed into the double delta F-7MG; with some of the intermediate developments virtually indistinguishable from the Soviet models?

[Burncycle]

How about a hind with the Isotov TV3-117 turbines replaced with T64-GE-100 turboshafts (from the MH-53)? You go from 2x 1,600 kW to 2x 3,230 kW and seven bladed composite rotors

FLIR / IFR probe / TFR / 30mm cannon (as mentioned in a previous post)

Distributed Sensor System and single piece gunner canopy with HMD (FLIR display projected on gunner's Helmet mounted HUD, can see through the floor, etc)

Maybe a MMW radar on the mast

Sounds expensive

[Jeffry Fontaine]

How about a hind with the Isotov TV3-117 turbines replaced with T64-GE-100 turboshafts (from the MH-53)? You go from 2x 1,600 kW to 2x 3,230 kW and seven bladed composite rotors

FLIR / IFR probe / TFR / 30mm cannon (as mentioned in a previous post)

Distributed Sensor System and single piece gunner canopy with HMD (FLIR display projected on gunner's Helmet mounted HUD, can see through the floor, etc)

Maybe a MMW radar on the mast

Sounds expensive

You could also dive into a bit of scale-o-rama and kit bashing by using the engine parts from a 1/32nd scale AH-64 on a 1/48th scale Hind.  The same could be with a 1/72nd scale Hind and some 1/48th scale AH-64 parts.  Also a great source for western weapons for your special operations Hind.

[Jschmus]

I was prowling around the Secret Projects forum this morning (mostly because the work computers filter this site) when I found the following.  These were apparently alternate configurations studied by Mil leading up to the more conventional Mi-28.  The first looks like it would be a fairly straightforward Mi-24 kitbash, while the second looks like a project and a half.





Look, Brian!  Helicopters with spats!