F-19 Stealth Fighter (Monogram, Revell, and Testor's)

Radish · September 14, 2002, 06:05:39 AM

:aa When it first appeared, I did an Israeli version with black undersurfaces and the sand/earth/green camo on top.
A US Marines version has appeared, but how about Royal Navy? Flying from a Stealth Carrier \"HMS Invisible\"?
Always a RCAF example all over white? I saw an F-16 \"photo\" many years ago of a RCAF mock-up of an F-16 so painted!
How about Japanese?
south Korean? Taiwanese? Bangladesh? :zz

Nick · September 14, 2002, 12:48:51 PM

Well, I only have two of these to build with another in the post with the Monogram F-19 ..... :TT

Of course, the USAF gave it the F-19 designation after they bought the RAF's Shorts Ghost F.1, which are painted in a dark grey with roundels :s

If I was any good I'd do one with wings folded back ready for transport in a C-5 Galaxy, as the instructions say is possible.

Nick :G

Joeisamonkey · September 14, 2002, 09:32:23 AM

Hey Fellas,

I think Radish is right. A really nice JASDF F-2 two tone blue would look really cool. David Angst(Sic) has one in a cool looking camo on HS. just search F-19. He used the A-10 decals from Two Bobs. I would like to do one in a sort of F-15 scheme. I was thinking about opening up some other weapons bays out on the wings and loading in Some AIM-9s or Amraams. What are you going to do to yours.

Take care,

Joe W :pl

Martin H · September 14, 2002, 12:53:59 PM

Hmmm I navalized and anglosized their Mig-37 Ferrit kit a few years ago, as a project from BAe's Blackpudding works.
(our version of the Scunk works) The1/72nd scale version of the F-19 kit is readily available at the mo under the Bilek banner. And seeing as the offical UK importer for Bilek in the UK is the secretary of my local club............. Hmmm may be an RAF stealth project from Lancashire could be created from the F-19. I might just pay him a visit tomorrow :aa

The Rat · July 07, 2006, 06:56:34 PM

Sorry if this has already been posted, I've been out of the loop for a few days

2-seater F-19 Stealer

gooberliberation · October 07, 2007, 01:54:46 AM

I thought about adding a rotary launcher in the 1/72 F-19. I got as far as cutting the weapons bay door out and there really isnt any room for such a contraption, even for missiles. The fuselage is too shallow.

Jeffry Fontaine · October 07, 2007, 01:16:45 PM

F-19 Stealth (1/48th and 1/72nd scale Monogram kits)

F-19 with standard cockpit as provided in the kit and the rotary weapons bay modified to a standard weapons bay with swing down doors. Weapons bay equipped with two weapons release racks from the F-117 for bomb type weapons or a rotary launcher for missiles. Modify the nose landing gear to use a twin wheel arrangement and retain the F-18 type for the main gear.

F-19 fitted with F-16B/D cockpit and canopy. Rotary weapons bay modified to a standard weapons bay with swing down doors. Weapons bay would be equipped with two weapons release racks similar to equipment mounted on the F-117 for bomb type weapons or a rotary launcher for missiles. Modify the nose landing gear to use a twin wheel arrangement and retain the F-18 type for the main gear.

F-19 with smaller scale F-16B/D, F-15B/D/E, F-14, or F-18B/D/F cockpit to create a strike aircraft for tactical and strategic missions within a theater of operations. Modify the nose landing gear to use a twin wheel arrangement and retain the F-18 type for the main gear.

QuoteI thought about adding a rotary launcher in the 1/72 F-19. I got as far as cutting the weapons bay door out and there really isnt any room for such a contraption, even for missiles. The fuselage is too shallow.

I feel your pain... Did that myself a while back, came up with the same problem and realized that a rotary launcher is a really great idea for something the size of a B-57 or F-101 but for the Monogram kit, it won't happen, even with a dash of "scale-o-rama" there is just not enough room.

That got me to looking at actual doors for the weapons bay and I narrowed it down to using the doors from the Monogram F-106 but these need a bit of adjustment before they are a shoe in. The inside of the weapons bay is still up for interpretation. Figured it would have some ribbing and pipes/cables and stuff but would be pretty spartan as there is not much room for much else but a couple of missile shapes.

elmayerle · October 07, 2007, 10:06:58 PM

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Quoteyeah, they rather underestimated the size of the F-19, IMO. Haven't built the 1/72, but the 1/144 Revell is tiny.
Never heard about a 1/144th scale Stealth kit based on the Monogram F-19. Where did you find it? I have one of the snap-fit Monogram F-19 kits and it is nothing to get excited about. At least the 1/48th scale offering has some parts and requires glue. Do you have a picture of the Revell kit or a link to it?

The Revell one I've seen is actually a scaled-down version of the Arii "derivative" of the 1/48 Testors/Italieri kit (same basic shape and layout, different canards - definitely a derivative clone; I should know, I've got both the single- and two-seat 1/48 Arii kits).

Jeffry Fontaine · October 08, 2007, 12:09:05 AM

Quoteyeah, they rather underestimated the size of the F-19, IMO. Haven't built the 1/72, but the 1/144 Revell is tiny.

Never heard about a 1/144th scale Stealth kit based on the Monogram F-19. Where did you find it? I have one of the snap-fit Monogram F-19 kits and it is nothing to get excited about. At least the 1/48th scale offering has some parts and requires glue. Do you have a picture of the Revell kit or a link to it?

QuoteThe Revell one I've seen is actually a scaled-down version of the Arii "derivative" of the 1/48 Testors/Italieri kit (same basic shape and layout, different canards - definitely a derivative clone; I should know, I've got both the single- and two-seat 1/48 Arii kits).

Had no clue on the Arii kit. I had a Revell of Germany clone of the Testor's kit many years ago, apparently that was a short run as RoG had to contend with litigation from Testor's over copying their product. The two seat arrangement sounds interesting, it is something that I have wanted to attempt with the Monogram F-19 kit.

elmayerle · October 08, 2007, 12:45:35 AM

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QuoteThe Revell one I've seen is actually a scaled-down version of the Arii "derivative" of the 1/48 Testors/Italieri kit (same basic shape and layout, different canards - definitely a derivative clone; I should know, I've got both the single- and two-seat 1/48 Arii kits).
Had no clue on the Arii kit. I had a Revell of Germany clone of the Testor's kit many years ago, apparently that was a short run as RoG had to contend with litigation from Testor's over copying their product. The two seat arrangement sounds interesting, it is somthing that I have wanted to attempt with the Monogram F-19 kit.

Well, I suspect Testors shut down Arii pretty quick, too, as it's a near clone. I just looked at my Revell 1/144 F-19 and it's very definitely a scaled-down Arii kit. I suspect Testors' legal action is why more aren't seen.

The two-seater is interesting, but it does require a redesign of the canopy mechanism to F-107 style; still, 'tis doable and I've got a Model Technologies "F-19" set put aside for it (yeah, it was made for the Testors kit but it fit great here, too) with the details from another set for the F/A-18B supplying the back seat details.

TsrJoe · October 08, 2007, 03:22:53 AM

i took the chicken way out and just copied what was in the 48th kit down to 72 scale for my model ... altho the missile from the larger kit with a lil tweaking fits ok in the 72 model too!

cheers, joe

Hobbes · October 08, 2007, 04:38:38 AM

Revell 1:144 F-19 compared with F-117 and Sea Harrier:

The main problem is the height of the fuselage: it's no higher than an F-16 fuselage. No way can you fit two engines plus a decent bomb bay in there.

The items in the kit bomb bay are Mavericks, btw.

Matt_S · October 08, 2007, 08:01:04 AM

How about an RF-19? Cameras could be but in the weapons bay.

Matt B)

Jeffry Fontaine · October 08, 2007, 01:57:32 PM

Thanks for posting the comparison images, I just realized that I had the Arii kit in the Revell of Germany boxing it is spot-on identical just like you said. Only real differences were the placement of the forward canards and the engine intake covers. Yes, not much room inside of that one either even with non-afterburning engines, still too small.

QuoteHow about an RF-19? Cameras could be but in the weapons bay

Regarding your suggestion for the RF-19, I beleive that is quite possible to pull off with the kit straight out of the box, all you need to do is cut a couple of aperture ports for your imaging cameras and call it done. Now if you want to get creative, you could make accomodations on the back (inside) of the rotating bay door for your cameras and little black boxes. While you are at it, you could try to fabricate a SLAR system as well to fit on the door, not much to look at on a SLAR antenna when it is part of the fuselage, just a radar transparent patch that is several feet in length. Piece of cake as they say.

I had never really considered the reconnaissance option as I was focused on finding a suitable weapons fit for the thing. But you have a good idea there and it might be more logical to pursue that instead of bombing it up.

I still have a few of the Italeri F-19 kits in protective custody and at one time I was so enamored with the idea of creating a squadrons worth of the things that it was almost an obsession. I think there is a support group for that, oh, wait, that is what this place is for.

Anyway, I digress, one of the things that I detested about the Italeri kit was that incredibly ugly framed canopy that was supposed to be applied for the operational version. I preferred the one-piece canopy over that framed monstrosity and when the time comes, my version will be sporting that canopy since it provides a much more pleasing appearance to that model.

The other issue I had was with that damned weapons bay, it is so narrow that you are really limited on what kind of ordnance you could place inside of the narrow opening. Now that the SDSB (Small Diameter Smart Bomb) has been developed, I guess that issue is now resolved as well. Any suggestions on how to come up with something that will pass for the SDSB?

elmayerle · December 18, 2007, 01:54:05 PM

If I was going to do a RF-19, I'd look at either carefully aligned camera windows or a bulge, similar in shape to two lower front ends from TSSAM (AGM-137A) stuck back to back. There was a variant with a window in the front for terminal guidance and the overall shape is the same, 'cept inverted, as the radar-carrying Tacit Blue, so you could carry an appropriate SLAR radar for recce purposes.