Sovietise it!!!!

[Weaver]

Another naval idea, and an evil one at that.....

Get the innocent, virtuous Airfix Severn class lifeboat and convert it to a KGB Border Guard patrol boat. It's already got Sovietish angular lines, just add a few weapons and sensors (don't go over the top: it's only little), and paint it overall grey with brown decks.

[Weaver]

Hmmmmm talk of Harriers got me thinking: suppose a film company did a deal with the RN to get a movie out of Illustrious and Ark Royal before they're scrapped? The movie's set in a 1980s WWIII, so one of them gets to play itself, but is "paint and canvas" modified back to it's 1980's spec, and carries GR.9's painted to look like SHARs (false radome etc...)   The other one plays the Soviet carrier and is dressed to look roughly (very roughly) like a Kiev, with sewer-pipe missile tubes on the foredeck and GR.9s painted to look like "Movie-Forgers" i.e. black ('cos they're bad guys) and with BIG red stars (so the audience know exactly who's who)....


Edited Kirov to Kiev 23dec08 'cos I'm dumb.........

Tch - you can't make anything up, can you? 

[Stitch_83]

Soviet - developed Mikoyan-Antonov MiA-10 Warthogski - developed from stolen US prototype plans, fitted with radar for true Siberian all-weather and night attack capability, twin GsH 23mm cannon and some other improvements..... I'm up for this!

[retro_seventies]

Sovietized Crusader/Fitter/Flogger...Flitsader?

[upnorth]

Sovietized Crusader/Fitter/Flogger...Flitsader?

Now that is some prime whiffing right there!

Swap out the F-8 main gear units for MiG-23 style ones and she's perfect.

[Sauragnmon]

Switch, why the Gsh-23?  There's a GSh-30-6 used on the Frogfoot.  You could always have it actually as a Yakovlev design - they were the ones who built competition against the Frogfoot the first time around.

Just a few thoughts.

[Weaver]

Soviet - developed Mikoyan-Antonov MiA-10 Warthogski - developed from stolen US prototype plans, fitted with radar for true Siberian all-weather and night attack capability, twin GsH 23mm cannon and some other improvements..... I'm up for this!

Nice idea! 

Few other tweaks:

30mm GSh-30-2 twin-barrelled gun, as per the Hind-E. I know the Russians do 6-barrelled Gatlings too as Saur suggested, but the trouble is that they look exactly like the US ones, whereas the twin-barrelled gun is more distinctively "Soviet".

Twin-up all the wheels: the Soviets were big on rough-field ability at the time the A-10 was new, so longer struts with twin wheels or tandem bogies, with bigger fairings to accomodate them. they could have small pointy radomes on the front for ASM guidance.

Solid rear canopy and spine, like an Su-25K (the two-seat airframe with one seat plus nav-attack avionics). Just looks more Russian.

Lose the re-fuelling receptacle when re-profiling the nose for the radar. Add a Tornado-style retractable probe on one side of the forward fuselage.

[Sauragnmon]

Yeah, the 30-2 Gast Gun would likely be a more Russian feel, and it's true, the 30-6 would look pretty close to the GAU-8, depending on scale - the Avenger's got 7-8 barrels if I recall, so you would notice it Possibly at 1/48, but not at anything smaller.

The twinned up main gear, you might consider a look like the Foxbat's twin main gear, with the roll and fold retraction style.  You'd have to extend the carriage back a little but you should be able to do it.  The nose gear wheels would be side by side probably, I might not say longer, but possibly Thicker, Stronger design.

Yeah, IFR for most if not all Soviet planes is probe and basket style, normally it's on the left side of the cockpit, primarily because on most aircraft the gun's on the right.

If it were a true Antonov design, it would have the wings moved Back down the fuselage and have the engines forward, somewhat like the An-72.  Interesting concept there, I'll have to file that in the Eventually folder in the back of my head.

[Weaver]

If it were a true Antonov design, it would have the wings moved Back down the fuselage and have the engines forward, somewhat like the An-72.  Interesting concept there, I'll have to file that in the Eventually folder in the back of my head.

Go back to reply #17 (page 2) and look at the GI Joe toy that Tomcat posted.......

[overscan]

Imagine that the Soviets had got the Vampire, reverse engineered it and put it in production. A little later they build a larger all weather fighter that looks a lot like a Sea Vixen. That practically looks Soviet already!

[Weaver]

Imagine that the Soviets had got the Vampire, reverse engineered it and put it in production. A little later they build a larger all weather fighter that looks a lot like a Sea Vixen. That practically looks Soviet already!

Interesting - given Lavochkin's wartime experience with wood/resin construction, they would have been the natural OKB for the job (the Vamp's forward fuselage was plywood/balsa like a Mosquito).

[Spey_Phantom]

Imagine that the Soviets had got the Vampire, reverse engineered it and put it in production. A little later they build a larger all weather fighter that looks a lot like a Sea Vixen. That practically looks Soviet already!

Interesting - given Lavochkin's wartime experience with wood/resin construction, they would have been the natural OKB for the job (the Vamp's forward fuselage was plywood/balsa like a Mosquito).

soviet vampire, that rings a bell,.............

ah yes, the soviets did have a captured DH vampire, i found a pic of it on the Key Publishing Forums 

[Taiidantomcat]

Can't wait for this one to start!  any word yet? or am I just not looking in the right places?

[Daryl J.]

After looking at the wing of the Su-24 prototype, is there any chance the TSR.2 program influenced the design?

It would  be almost turpitude for me to Sovietize The Big White Bird,  but it does tempt a bit.


Daryl J.

[pyro-manic]

I think that would look pretty cool - wing fences, square intakes, Russian-style IFR probe, big wheels.