Maritime Patrol and ASW- the little ones......

[kitnut617]

Canada uses them for survellance too:  http://www.canmilair.com/products.asp?cat=92&pg=2

Mind you I do wonder just how effective they are, you can hear a Dash 8 for miles before seeing it.  The throb of the props is quite distinctive.

[AeroplaneDriver]

Canada uses them for survellance too:  http://www.canmilair.com/products.asp?cat=92&pg=2

Mind you I do wonder just how effective they are, you can hear a Dash 8 for miles before seeing it.  The throb of the props is quite distinctive.

At takeoff power with the props a little out of sync it makes a bit of noise, but in cruise/loitering config with the props backat 900 RPM it's a pretty quiet aircraft. 

Oz CG use them too IIRC.

[Weaver]

ATPs always seem damned noisy to me: when one goes over Stockport (under the Manchester Airport flightpath) you barely have to look up to ID it....

[kitnut617]

At takeoff power with the props a little out of sync it makes a bit of noise, but in cruise/loitering config with the props backat 900 RPM it's a pretty quiet aircraft. 

That's interesting to know, there's a regional airport about 70 kms away and I can hear from my house when a Dash 8 is climbing out.  Anyway I'm going to put this pair of puppies on my floatplane, it has uprated engine you know 

[upnorth]

I remember back in the 80's when DeHavilland was trying to drum up intrest in an ASW version of the Dash 8 I think they were calling it the Triton and I recall seeing some pictures of the models they had made up of it for marketing purposes.

As I recall, it had a long nose, similar to the navigation trainer version of the Dash 8, a MAD stinger in the tail and I think a torpedo mounting bracket on either side of the fuselage just ahead of the wing.

I don't think it went any further than the models and I think I stopped seeing articles about it around 1988 or so. There seems to be nothing about it on the internet as near as I can find.

It was an intresting looking variation on the design that would have been nice to see make it into reality.

[Nick]

Back in the 80's the RAF were ready to give up on Nimrod AEW.3 and had a quick competition to replace them. The options were a few E-3D Sentry's or several other smaller aircraft, possibly Tornado sized.
My memory is based on a BBC news programme and the fancy graphics they used.

What were the alternatives on the table back in 1986?

[AeroplaneDriver]

At takeoff power with the props a little out of sync it makes a bit of noise, but in cruise/loitering config with the props backat 900 RPM it's a pretty quiet aircraft. 

That's interesting to know, there's a regional airport about 70 kms away and I can hear from my house when a Dash 8 is climbing out.  Anyway I'm going to put this pair of puppies on my floatplane, it has uprated engine you know 

Kidding right???

I live 70km from a major hub airport and I cant hear a B-1 taking off!  As for the Dash, when I'm at work I can barely hear one taking off on the most distant runway, about a mile away.

[kitnut617]

That's interesting to know, there's a regional airport about 70 kms away and I can hear from my house when a Dash 8 is climbing out.  Anyway I'm going to put this pair of puppies on my floatplane, it has uprated engine you know 

Kidding right???

Nope, the airport is almost directly west on me, a bit north maybe, we're on the edge of the praireis  so there's nothing to block sound and if the wind is blowing from the that direction (most times) you can hear them climbing out quite clearly.  I've just done a map search, by road it's 62 kms, as the crow flies, possible 55 kms.  To be honest though I think they're about 25 kms, looking at the map they would be climing out straight south from the airport (which is Penhold Alberta or Red Deer Regional) to Calgary International.  That route when it passes us directly west is about 25 kms

[Spey_Phantom]

some time ago, i was planning on getting another Revell CL601/604 kit and convert it into a small ASW/partol plane, equiped with FLIR Camera, SLAR, Torpedo's, a MAD boom,...

the ATR-42 that italeri is releasing soon would be ideal for turning into an ASW/patrol platform, although i am planning to equip one with an Erieye radar or an E-2C's radome and then equip the E-2 with an Erieye 

other platforms that would be goor as a Maretime Patrol aircraft are:

DC-3/C47 (just like South Africa)
E-2 Hawkeye
DC-7
CL-601 / 604
AN-140
BN-2 Islander (like the Flemish Enviremental Agency)
Do228 (like the German Navy & Dutch CG)
V-22
EA-6B Prowler
PC-12

the list is endless, practicly everything from small turboprop to big Airliners can be build into Maretime Patrol planes

[upnorth]

Nils: According to the Italeri catalog their upcoming ATR 42 will be the ASW one.

[B777LR]

ITALERI IS DOING AN ATR?  I must be in heaven, someone hit me with a hammer!

[Weaver]

Something that always struck me; the Basler Turbo-67 (turbopropped DC-3) has to have quite a large fuselage plug inserted ahead of the wing to compensate for the light weight of the engines. Since that plug is new construction, it would be very simple to design it to include a ventral radome, rather than cutting a hole in an existing old fuselage, and with the taildragger u/c, it would have plenty of clearance. I'd envisaged it as a cheap AEW with the cut-down Searchwater set used in the Islander AEW, but of course, that radar would also be useful to an ASW/MP mission too.

[kitnut617]

I've got the Heritage Aviation 1/72 Turbo-prop conversion and some of the parts and decals included are for a South African AEW trainer, it has a small radar on a pylon above the fuselage just about where the plug is, so your idea isn't that too far stretched.

Check out the other photo and you'll see the small radome.  http://www.heritageaviationmodelsltd.com/turbo-dakota-saaf-113-p.asp

Plus I see Heritage has a Dart conversion too, I'm gonna get me one of those     http://www.heritageaviationmodelsltd.com/dart-dakota-97-p.asp

[Damian2]

I've got the Heritage Aviation 1/72 Turbo-prop conversion and some of the parts and decals included are for a South African AEW trainer, it has a small radar on a pylon above the fuselage just about where the plug is, so your idea isn't that too far stretched.

Check out the other photo and you'll see the small radome.  http://www.heritageaviationmodelsltd.com/turbo-dakota-saaf-113-p.asp

Plus I see Heritage has a Dart conversion too, I'm gonna get me one of those     http://www.heritageaviationmodelsltd.com/dart-dakota-97-p.asp

They also trialed FLIRs on some of the TP Daks too, so there's another option

Now all I need is a 1/48 Dak and conversion and some leeway for FLIRS, SLARs etc and I'm set for a SAAF MarRec bird! Whiffed of course

D

[upnorth]

ITALERI IS DOING AN ATR?  I must be in heaven, someone hit me with a hammer!

Yes, IIRC the catalog said it was due in the 3rd or 4th quarter of this year and would be 1/144