SPAAS Thread

[GTX]

Real world - M2 with Blazer Turret:



Regards,

Greg

[Just call me Ray]

I've mentioned it before, but I've thought of mounting a Gepard turret on the Faun Elefant & armouring the cab.  It would be a German SPAAG version of the Czech Dana/Zuzana Self Propelled Howitzer, which is itself an armored version of the Tatra 8x8 truck.  Getting away from this thread, you could also mount a PzH 2000 turret for the same role.  My idea was that although less mobile over terrain, it could deploy very quickly via Germany's extensive road network.  This is a simiar reasoning behind the Dana IIRC.

I'm looking at the high angle of elevation on that thing and I'm wondering if a naval 127mm in the AA role would be feasible

[GTX]

Kind of like a bigger brother to the Italian Otomatic SPAAG:



Regards,

Greg

[rickshaw]

I've mentioned it before, but I've thought of mounting a Gepard turret on the Faun Elefant & armouring the cab.  It would be a German SPAAG version of the Czech Dana/Zuzana Self Propelled Howitzer, which is itself an armored version of the Tatra 8x8 truck.  Getting away from this thread, you could also mount a PzH 2000 turret for the same role.  My idea was that although less mobile over terrain, it could deploy very quickly via Germany's extensive road network.  This is a simiar reasoning behind the Dana IIRC.

I'm looking at the high angle of elevation on that thing and I'm wondering if a naval 127mm in the AA role would be feasible

Where would you put the ammunition?

[Jschmus]

I was perusing the Secret Projects forum again last night (Hilton's info-nazis block this site) and I ran across the AGDS/M1.  This was a mid-90s proposal for an "Air Ground Defense System" built on an M1 chassis, armed with two 35mm guns and twelve ADATS missiles.

[Just call me Ray]

I've mentioned it before, but I've thought of mounting a Gepard turret on the Faun Elefant & armouring the cab.  It would be a German SPAAG version of the Czech Dana/Zuzana Self Propelled Howitzer, which is itself an armored version of the Tatra 8x8 truck.  Getting away from this thread, you could also mount a PzH 2000 turret for the same role.  My idea was that although less mobile over terrain, it could deploy very quickly via Germany's extensive road network.  This is a simiar reasoning behind the Dana IIRC.

I'm looking at the high angle of elevation on that thing and I'm wondering if a naval 127mm in the AA role would be feasible

Where would you put the ammunition?

Seperate carrier?

[Mossie]

The turret is somewhat larger than something like a Mk 45, there should be some way to fit in?

[RLBH]

I was perusing the Secret Projects forum again last night (Hilton's info-nazis block this site) and I ran across the AGDS/M1.  This was a mid-90s proposal for an "Air Ground Defense System" built on an M1 chassis, armed with two 35mm guns and twelve ADATS missiles.

I can't help but wonder whether a pair of GAU-8/A cannon might fit instead of the two 35mm Bushmasters. Sure, you lose some hitting power per round, but you get so many more rounds per minute that the effect on an aircraft is probably much more.

[Sauragnmon]

The problem is, the ammo storage would be pointless if you had the GAU-8 on an Abrams chassis - you would have a half second burst and be done.  The twin Bushies gives a little more endurance as well as bang for the buck.  Consider, ONE 30mm round in a nice good hit like center of the fuselage, and an F-15 is limping home, Barely surviving, and essentially being a writeoff the second it's on the tarmac, Assuming it makes it that far.

[ChernayaAkula]

The problem is, the ammo storage would be pointless if you had the GAU-8 on an Abrams chassis - you would have a half second burst and be done.  <...>

For what it's worth, (German) Wikipedia gives a diameter of 870mm (34.25") and a length of 1816mm (71.50") for the ammo drum of the GAU-8 as installed in the A-10, housing up to 1300 rounds. Depending on how you design the turret, I think it should be possible to mount one or even two Avengers. Further space would be available due to the deletion of the main gun and associated ammo storage (40 rounds of 120mm should also take up some space) and the loader.



***added imperial measurements to the diameter and length dimensions provided for the ammunition drum***

[rickshaw]

The turret is somewhat larger than something like a Mk 45, there should be some way to fit in?

Dana series carries 40 rounds of 152/155mm calibre ammunition.  Assuming an decrease of say 10 rounds in a 127mm AA gun version, (assuming use of the Otobreda 127/54 gun) which uses fixed case rounds while the 152/155mm guns utilise separate, bagged charges.  So you have 30 rounds at a ROF of 40 rounds a minute.  So, therefore you have less than 1 minute's ammunition on the mounting.   So, you'd definitely need that separate carrier and a lot of them, close by and some means of rapid reloading.

[Jeffry Fontaine]

There may be something of interest to this discussion on the antiaircraft.org site.  The focus of which is U.S. Army AAA during WWII.  Many of the images provided I have never seen before. 

[GTX]

I have posted this in the Chieftain and Challenger thread as well:

I wonder if it would be possible to also fit some Rapier SAMs to the Marksman turret so as to great a dual gun/missile system?  And further to this idea, does anyone know what the arrangement is for the Marksman Turret - specifically re sensors and the like.  Looking at the Marksman head on, I note the large blank area (see below) - I assume this is fitted with something but I'm not sure what.




Regards,

Greg

[Joe C-P]

I wonder if it would be possible to also fit some Rapier SAMs to the Marksman turret so as to great a dual gun/missile system?  And further to this idea, does anyone know what the arrangement is for the Marksman Turret - specifically re sensors and the like.  Looking at the Marksman head on, I note the large blank area (see below) - I assume this is fitted with something but I'm not sure what.

Regards,
Greg

I'm guessing the elevation gears and ammunition spaces are behind the front, which should be well armored.

[GTX]

I wonder if it would be possible to also fit some Rapier SAMs to the Marksman turret so as to great a dual gun/missile system?  And further to this idea, does anyone know what the arrangement is for the Marksman Turret - specifically re sensors and the like.  Looking at the Marksman head on, I note the large blank area (see below) - I assume this is fitted with something but I'm not sure what.

Regards,
Greg

I'm guessing the elevation gears and ammunition spaces are behind the front, which should be well armored.

That's what I suspect as well.

Regards,

Greg