SPAAS Thread

[GTX]

An interesting one I stumbled across a little while ago:



See here for more info - BTW, the weapons are 50mm.

Regards,

Greg

[MAD]

An interesting one I stumbled across a little while ago:



See here for more info - BTW, the weapons are 50mm.

Regards,

Greg

Hi Greg
What in the world is someone in the United States think with this monstrosity!!
The continues development of ballistics and technology makes the 35mm Oerlikon KDA more than powerful (and effective enough to take down a ground attack aircraft - the likes of a Su-22 or Su-25, let alone a Mi-28 or Mi-24.
It is also a very effective ground weapon for taking out the likes of the BMP-1 and BMP-2!
So why go to something so big and heavy as a 50mm weapon? (the same argument as in the case of dreaming about 140mm tank guns one guesses!!).
The other issue I have major concerns with is the crazy overall height of this monstrosity - How does one airlift something of this crazy height?. I think they would be pushing @hit up hill to fit it into a C-17 or C-5!
Also great bullet trap between the turret and chassis.
Then finally what is wrong with attempting to make such a valuable and such sort after target less conspiques?
Someone has either never been in a recon unit or never served in a green uniform in my opinion in designing such an obvious looking weapon system.
In my unit we are taught to use such vehicles as tactical 'targets of opportunity'!
You do not need to destroy the vehicle itself - but 7.62mm rounds will mess up your sensors!


Saying all this the only thing that I like with this design is the use of the M270 MLRS chassis

M.A.D

[Sauragnmon]

I find it interesting, personally - the weapon system in itself strikes me as an American equivalent to the Kashtan system in the Russian Navy - two quad-box RAM launchers and two hard-hitting guns.  I think they chose the 50mm gun to generate a sizable ammount of flak on detonation, and be able to fit the guidance and control package on the unit - the round itself is basically a guided munition with a directed flak warhead, centered around targetting artillery rounds in flight.

[rickshaw]

I think, going by what is in the link provided, that it is a technology demonstrator vehicle rather than a production one.  Basically they've taken several different elements and shoved them all together on the most easily available chassis in order to make it mobile.   Makes interesting use of course correcting 50mm telescoped rounds.  Considerable potential there I think for it to be a very useful system, particularly aboard ships.

[Jschmus]

Maybe I misread it, but the gun in question isn't actually 50mm.  It's a 35mm Bushmaster III modified somehow to accept the 50mm round.

[ChernayaAkula]

That 35/50mm gun sounds a lot like the RHEINMETALL RH503(35MM VERSION) (50mm specs >>HERE<<). This gun was developed for the projected Marder 2 IFV. AFAIK, some US outfit bought the patents, so this may be a spin-off of that.

[ysi_maniac]

WOW I love this! Thanks for posting!

[ysi_maniac]

An interesting one I stumbled across a little while ago:



See here for more info - BTW, the weapons are 50mm.

Regards,

Greg

Thank for posting this too!

[Just call me Ray]

Maybe I misread it, but the gun in question isn't actually 50mm.  It's a 35mm Bushmaster III modified somehow to accept the 50mm round.

I'm not quits sure how that's...physically possible, given all logic. I read the info about the Rhienmetal gun in the post below yours and it just says that it was upscaled to 50mm, basically.

[ChernayaAkula]

I'm not quits sure how that's...physically possible, given all logic.<...>

Rheinmetall claims that simply swapping the barrel/chamber assembly on the Rh 503 will allow the weapon to fire the other calibre. The rest of the weapon is designed with both calibres in mind. It seems that both rounds have the same outer dimensions.



Maybe the Bushmaster III was developed to work that way too? 

[Just call me Ray]

Rheinmetall claims that simply swapping the barrel/chamber assembly on the Rh 503 will allow the weapon to fire the other calibre. The rest of the weapon is designed with both calibres in mind. It seems that both rounds have the same outer dimensions.

Well, I suppose, the Rhienmetal gun isn't the first to use that, but it seemed like the other poster (I forget who) implied that it would actually be using 50mm rounds in a 30mm cannon.

[apophenia]

Maybe the Bushmaster III was developed to work that way too?

That's exactly right ... hence the Bushmaster III 35/50 name.

[rickshaw]

Maybe I misread it, but the gun in question isn't actually 50mm.  It's a 35mm Bushmaster III modified somehow to accept the 50mm round.

The Bushmaster III IIRC is designed to be changed to either 40mm or 50mm calibre.

[apophenia]

The Bushmaster II/Mk44 Bushmaster is the 30/40. Bushmaster III is 35/50.

In both cases, rounds are the same length regardless of calibre. That means only a barrel change and feed assembly adjustments are required to convert from one calibre to another. Theoretically a field job but, in reality, probably a lot more complicated. So far, neither 40mm nor 50mm Super Shot rounds seem to have been adopted by any army.

[Jschmus]

I apologize for my misunderstanding.  For all of my interest in militaria, a lot of this gun stuff is over my head.