ASW vulcan

[bexwh773]

Thanks Black Knight, she'll be finished tonight for delivery to Dad tomorrow...... I hope 

This guy here builds V Bombers for fun coz hes nuts but he knows their quirks: http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12409&hl=vulcan%201963&st=0

And Richard here had a whale of a time with his...... NOT   http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14915&hl=vulcan+1963

Hope they help

Bex

[Martin H]

there was a proposed version with an extended rear cabin so allow 4 forward faceing back seaters, a loo, a galley and a set of bunks on the aft bulkhead. and every one sitting on bang seats. I built it earleir in the year, as a black buck (in comfort)

[Black Knight]

hmmm this project might work now....

is it this one that you made?
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=111

[Martin H]

yep. thats the beast

[Hammer]

Last week I was reading up un the perspective "future" vulcans and one expected direction would actually be a large avionics "hump" picking up after the cockpit and going all the way to the tail, this could be interesting!

regards, Hammer

[elmayerle]

As for the FLIR ( if that's what your asking about ) CDN Auroras ( and probably US Orions ? ) have a recessed one under the nose. What about doing something in between each engine ? Isn't there an ECM fit under one of them already ?

Yep, US Orions have them, even the EP-3E's have them though those may have a few other sensors there, too.

[upnorth]

there was a proposed version with an extended rear cabin so allow 4 forward faceing back seaters, a loo, a galley and a set of bunks on the aft bulkhead. and every one sitting on bang seats. I built it earleir in the year, as a black buck (in comfort)

I think thats the best solution to get the needed ASW system operators in there. This arrangement could also house the sonobuoys ahead of the weapons bay so that they could be reloaded in flight if need be.

[Black Knight]

i think i will go with the extended cabin

This arrangement could also house the sonobuoys ahead of the weapons bay so that they could be reloaded in flight if need be.

but i don't get how this would work

[elmayerle]

The only external evidence of the sonobouy launchers would be the pattern of identical holes showing the openings of the launch tubes.  See details of the P-3 Orion's launcher installation or that installed on teh EC-18 ARIA aircraft (much modified 707) for SIDS (Sonobouy Impact Detection System) use.

[Black Knight]

so i could just engrave them on to the bottom of the fuselarge?

martin you wouldn't have any in build photos of the b.3 would you? and what did you use to make the fuselarge plug?

[upnorth]

so i could just engrave them on to the bottom of the fuselarge?

Most certainly. Externally, all you can see of the sonobuoy set up is just a series of holes that are flush to the contours of the fuselage.

Here's the sonobuoy area of a P-3 Orion:

http://data.primeportal.net/hangar/bill_spidle/p-3c/P-3C_161010_005.JPG

There's a couple of differently sized hole types for two different sorts of sonobuoys. In 1/72 the smaller holes are around 1mm in diameter and the larger ones are around 1.5mm in diameter. You'll also notice that the holes are oval in shape, this is because the sonobuoy chutes are instaled at an angle in the aircraft.

Drilling it in would be pretty easy, you'd just have to draw out a grid on the aircraft where you want the array to be so you can keep all the holes even and in line with each other.

[Martin H]

martin you wouldn't have any in build photos of the b.3 would you? and what did you use to make the fuselarge plug?

Simple another Vulcan. or to be more precise, an old one that had ended its days on a model grave yard heap. It did need to be deepeded at the forward end thou, to match up with the new nose section. As for in progress shots......sorry didnt take any

[Black Knight]

hmmm, not so confident on buying 2 vulcans to make into 1 maybe some drain pipe the same diameter would work?

[pyro-manic]

Another option would be to cut the fuselage at the desired point, and extend it by building a sort of frame between the two parts. Then just add a skin of thin plasticard, and psr the joints before scribing some panel lines. A little more difficult, but a lot cheaper, and you don't have to sacrifice a second kit to do it.

[elmayerle]

If I might be so bold, I don't see why a combination of the last two approaches wouldn't work.  Find a dia. of plastic tubing, drain pipe or whatever, that fits the inside diameter of the fuselage and use it for the basic spacer with enough at each end to firmly anchor the cut sections of th fuselage.  Then use sheet plastic as pyro-maniac suggested to build up to the full fuselage diameter.