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A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.

Started by Big Bird, August 10, 2008, 05:57:35 AM

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Weaver

Good story BB -  :thumbsup:

One small point: I know I've seen artwork, and possibly a photograph, showing a Hawk carrying Sea Eagle on the centreline. Use that plus two (possibly smaller) drop tanks, and you lose the asymetric load problem.
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Quote from: Weaver on September 06, 2008, 07:28:22 PM
Good story BB -  :thumbsup:

One small point: I know I've seen artwork, and possibly a photograph, showing a Hawk carrying Sea Eagle on the centreline. Use that plus two (possibly smaller) drop tanks, and you lose the asymetric load problem.

That would be these:




Regards,

Greg
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Weaver

Cheers G :thumbsup:

I found my artwork: it was in a Bill Gunston book called Warplanes of the Future, published in the mid-'80s. According to the Hawk entry, BAe were claiming that a Hawk 200 could carry THREE Sea Eagles 620 miles, or one plus two drop tanks 900-odd miles.... :blink:
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Big Bird

Great guys, many thanks. Looks like I will have to rewrite that bit of the story.
Anyone any idea if there is a single seat Hawk 100 kit out there. Or what would be involved in converting a T2 kit?

Weaver

Quote from: Big Bird on September 10, 2008, 03:54:06 AM
Great guys, many thanks. Looks like I will have to rewrite that bit of the story.
Anyone any idea if there is a single seat Hawk 100 kit out there. Or what would be involved in converting a T2 kit?

Airfix do a Hawk 100 in 1/48th.

"Things need not have happened to be true. Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
 - Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream, by Neil Gaiman

"I dunno, I'm making this up as I go."
 - Indiana Jones

Big Bird

Quote from: Weaver on September 10, 2008, 04:41:50 AM
Quote from: Big Bird on September 10, 2008, 03:54:06 AM
Great guys, many thanks. Looks like I will have to rewrite that bit of the story.
Anyone any idea if there is a single seat Hawk 100 kit out there. Or what would be involved in converting a T2 kit?

Airfix do a Hawk 100 in 1/48th.


Cool, thanks, I will have to look out for one

Thorvic

The single seater is the Hawk 200 Mish and is done as a conversion of the airfix kit by Neomega (not sure on availability however)

Cheers

Geoff
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ysi_maniac

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lancer

You can also get the old Matchbox 1:72nd Hawk 200 kit, normally from e-bay, but I suppose any second hand kit dealer might have them.
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Big Bird

Thanks guys, I have found the conversion kit http://www.neomega-resin.com/hawk.htm
I think now I can move on with the story.

sotoolslinger

I am enjoying this one very much BB  ;D It doesn't look like your having just a whole bunch of fun  :banghead: :banghead: But great job. Looking forward to seeing this loaded out :wacko:
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Big Bird

Sorry I haven't been around here much folks. Also there is no progress to report on Hawk. I got fed up with filling and sanding and I got caught up in a multitude of Group Builds for other forums.
What I have progressed with is collecting models for this project.

One Hawk with Neomega resin convertion to Hawk 200
One Hawk for stopgap ADF duties
Islander/Defender for AEW/MR duties
And the Learjet will be turned into a Electronic Reconnaissance aircraft.
I still need to buy/acquire a Huey UH-1H as a SAR helo.
The other thing I've been working on is the 'back story' but I'm unsure where to post it Alternative History per chance?

Damian2

Its Big Bird!!! Long time no see!!! :D

For all the whining that goes on at other sites about the Airfix Hawk its really quiet a nice little kit.

Here's my Mk.108 "missionised" Hawk 100



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MartG

Quote from: Big Bird on September 06, 2008, 07:42:10 AM
Not sure how these Hawks which are basically T1 standard would work in the air to air role having to suitable radar.

IIRC the RAF developed tactics where a pair of Sidewinder armed Hawk T.1 worked in a team with a Tornado F.2 and were guided to their targets by the Tornado's backseater until they were in visual range - basically the Tornado acted as a mini-AWACS
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Weaver

Quote from: MartG on October 23, 2008, 03:27:53 AM
Quote from: Big Bird on September 06, 2008, 07:42:10 AM
Not sure how these Hawks which are basically T1 standard would work in the air to air role having to suitable radar.

IIRC the RAF developed tactics where a pair of Sidewinder armed Hawk T.1 worked in a team with a Tornado F.2 and were guided to their targets by the Tornado's backseater until they were in visual range - basically the Tornado acted as a mini-AWACS

I tried that tactic ("MFF": Mixed Fighter Force) several times while playing Harpoon - it works a treat! Bandit goes high, he stops a Sparrow/Skyflash the hard way, bandit goes low, he gets a Hawk up his chuff..... :wacko:
"Things need not have happened to be true. Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
 - Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream, by Neil Gaiman

"I dunno, I'm making this up as I go."
 - Indiana Jones