Tiger, Panther, and King Tiger

royabulgaf · January 14, 2009, 06:35:25 AM

This is photoshopped, right? I can't see the advantage, but I can see an overcrowded turret with one of those guns having no room whatsoever on the loader's side.

Kim M

Sauragnmon · January 14, 2009, 07:04:50 AM

Yes it's photoshopped - notice the way the second gun actually overlaps the side of the turret on that angle, how it's so directly eraser-cut on the side, it doesn't look completely right to a sharp eye, but it's close enough to be believable at a glance.

sagallacci · January 16, 2009, 06:31:51 PM

The Panther turret on the PantherII hull was done in the US after it was captured and brought over for analysis. The Panther II was never put into produced nor the test hull ever fitted for combat. And regarding improving the basic type, while the P.II introduced the improved armor shape and had a somewhat simplified suspension system, it still used torsion bars and the same marginally adiquate engine and drive train. The E-50 suspension would have had entirely external suspension hardware.

BlackOps · January 16, 2009, 09:24:28 PM

Sure it was crowded but it looks cool

Did this one a long ways back.

dy031101 · January 17, 2009, 08:28:18 AM

There is a project involving a Panzer IV armed with two 75mm recoilless rifles and one 30mm spotting gun (mounted between the RRs).

starship1 · January 17, 2009, 09:00:21 PM

dy, you wouldn't happen to have any pictures or source for them would you?

GTX · January 24, 2009, 10:12:55 AM

Something I quickly knocked up:

Regards,

Greg

gunfighter · January 24, 2009, 02:15:11 PM

Iam not a great fan of armour, but these topic about evolved nazi tanks is very interesting. I was thinking about some kind of MBT for the fatherland 64 vintage, one idea that would be cool is a Jagdleopard II, with a Jajdtiger chasis and the 120mm Rheinmetall gun of the Leo 2. A Leo 2A5 in Afrika Korps colours is another option

GTX · January 25, 2009, 10:32:57 AM

Quote from: gunfighter on January 24, 2009, 02:15:11 PM
Iam not a great fan of armour, but these topic about evolved nazi tanks is very interesting. I was thinking about some kind of MBT for the fatherland 64 vintage, one idea that would be cool is a Jagdleopard II, with a Jajdtiger chasis and the 120mm Rheinmetall gun of the Leo 2. A Leo 2A5 in Afrika Korps colours is another option

Try looking here for my take on a JagdLeo.

Regards,

Greg

GTX · January 31, 2009, 01:11:36 PM

A few people mentioned upgrading some of these to carry a 105mm main gun - FYI there was a real world proposal by Krupp to re-arm the King Tiger with a 105mm Kw.K. L/68 main gun:

and for comparison, the standard 88mm Kw.K. L/71:

Regards,

Greg

GTX · January 31, 2009, 01:25:13 PM

One of the apparent problems encountered with the Panther's interleaved suspension was that it could freeze up in the Russian winter, so what if this was changed to something more conventional:

Regards,

Greg

GTX · January 31, 2009, 01:28:27 PM

Above with added NVG:

Regards,

Greg

GTX · January 31, 2009, 02:36:38 PM

Continued - this time with Schmalturn turret sporting 75mm main gun:

Regards,

Greg

GTX · January 31, 2009, 02:40:11 PM

And finally a version with Schmalturn turret sporting 88mm Kw.K L/71 main gun + NVG +Anti-Aircraft cupola fitted with 30mm cannon:

Might do a Gas Turbine powered variant next.

Regards,

Greg

Arc3371 · January 31, 2009, 04:18:51 PM

Very nice, especially the Panther neuer Art are interesting