Gunbucket!

[Wyrmshadow]

I know what I want for xmas.

[pyro-manic]

Wouldn't it be a better idea to, um, buy a carbine? Seems a bit pointless to buy all those extra parts to stick onto the bare bones of a pistol.

[Wyrmshadow]

How many carbines come in .45 ACP? Some poeple just like their 1911's.

[Jeffry Fontaine]

How many carbines come in .45 ACP? Some poeple just like their 1911's.

Marlin or Ruger offered a carbine chambered for .45 ACP for a few years.  It had a pistol type magazine located in front of the trigger guard.  Would have been a nice companion piece for anyone with a pistol in the same caliber. 

[Sauragnmon]

Well the thing is, most people have mangled the original true meaning of Carbine - the first Carbines were basically oversized pistols, as I pointed out - Cavalry Rifles, meant to be light on recoil to fire from horseback and the like.  They also used larger caliber rounds, but were meant for low recoil.  Now, the Carbine is little more than a short or compact assault rifle, something a step up from the Submachinegun.

[Aircav]

How many carbines come in .45 ACP? Some poeple just like their 1911's.

Marlin or Ruger offered a carbine chambered for .45 ACP for a few years.  It had a pistol type magazine located in front of the trigger guard.  Would have been a nice companion piece for anyone with a pistol in the same caliber. 

Marlin did a Camp carbine in 9mm and .45acp and it used the same magazines as the Colt 1911 pistol, Ruger did a .44mag carbine for a while.
http://gunshowonthenet.com/Gun_Manuals/Gun_Manuals3/Marlin_45_Carb.pdf
http://www.notpurfect.com/main/campgun9.htm
http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/ig/Ruger-44-Carbine-Instructions/Ruger-Carbines-1.htm

I always liked the .30 M1 Carbine, great to shoot 

[Aircav]

Just found this on the web 

[dy031101]

Well at least they are honest about the range being shorter than the blast radius. 

[renax]

what is this ?


http://alterra1.blogspot.com/2010/03/guess-what-is-this.html

[Sauragnmon]

I posted my thought on what it is... but as I said there, it looks like a G3 rifle mixed with a Panzerfaust-3, fed with a half of a Beta-C Magazine.

[Wyrmshadow]

about all those pictures of the extra junk poeple might want to add to their m1911's.. well I shot one last week for the first time ever and I can understand why that gun has so many fans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf3cht6GBEo

[Jschmus]

about all those pictures of the extra junk poeple might want to add to their m1911's.. well I shot one last week for the first time ever and I can understand why that gun has so many fans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf3cht6GBEo

Thank you for turning down the sound.

[dy031101]

According to Security Arms entry, the suppressor is the same one (wipeless) as used by the MAC-10.

But the suppressor is said to be attached to the slide?  I find it strange- doesn't that mean the suppressor moves with the slide?  Wouldn't that cause the suppressor to strike the front end of the frame when the gun cycles?

So...... is the entry description actually correct?  Or is there something I've neglected about suppressed firearms?

[Sauragnmon]

I would at first be pretty skeptical of the claim that it is slide mounted - that would mean that the barrel traverses inside of the suppressor as the action cycles, and yes it would likely strike against the receiver just above and forward of the trigger guard.  They say it's used to lessen the sound of the action as well as the sound of the round being fired.  The entry itself claims to suppress breech flash, which is a bad thing to have happen anyways - breech flash would be partially burnt powder in the casing as it ejects, burning up at that point.  That makes me even more skeptical since the suppressor is Nowhere near close enough to do anything to the breech.  Either the person who wrote the article has a very limited knowledge of the weapon and suppressor he's talking about, or this is something interesting.

First - suppressors are normally mounted to a threaded extension of the muzzle, not to the slide - they take the gas direct from the muzzle as the bullet travels down the length of the suppressor.  High end suppressors use a series of baffles to trap the gasses, lower end suppressors vent it into a chamber with something to absorb the gasses like steel wool, but that normally burns up after a while and the suppressor loses effectiveness.

Second - Suppressors are normally good for suppressing the noise of the bullet, not the action - rigging the pistol with something akin to a slide lock, so the action locks open and is then manually released by the user, is a good way to reduce mechanical noise, as with most suppressed weapons the action is the noisiest part, and that's not exceptionally loud.

[sequoiaranger]

WOW! I have shot semi-autos at night numerous times, and never had any "light" come out of the breech when the slide opens! Especially with the very short cartridges needed for auto-loading pistols, the powder has to be fairly fast-burning. I can't imagine there being any un-burnt powder to ignite by the time the shell is ejected! That and any flash of light that close to the eyes would have to be dangerous and/or night-blinding. Hmmm.

And there is NO WAY the suppressor would be attached to the slide. There would be a LOT of momentum being transferred when the slide was moving (heavy recoil?), and it would take a lot of extra energy to move the suppressor AND the slide back--at the risk of incomplete cycling.

I think you are right in that the writer was NOT familiar with the suppressor system.