Fw-190 and Ta-152 WHIF Ideas

[GTX]

hi folks,

I am just about finished reading "Stuka Pilot" by Han Ulrich Rudel.  In it he made/makes a comment about when converting from Ju-87s to Fw-190s, many pilots felt uncomfortable not having a tail gunner to offer some protection.  Immediately, my whiffing mind stepped in and started to consider a two seat Fw-190 (probably based upon the F-8 model) with a tail gunner facing to the rear.  I'm thinking a fuselage stretch might be called for and I'm not sure how to do the cockpit/canopy or gun arrangement.  Options so far include:

For cockpit/canopy:

• Maybe a converted S-8, though this isn't my prefered solution (see pic below);
• Maybe an arrangement similar to the Sea Fury trainers;
• Maybe a single large bubble: or
• Something else entirely - suggestions welcome!

For gun - either a manual arrangement or maybe manned turret or maybe a remote turret (either like the Me-410/210 or Ju-187).

BTW, I'm also thinking of it being a dedicated Anti-tank bird with a couple of MK 103 30mm cannon like the Fw-190F-8/R3:



Your thoughts/suggestions?

Regards,

Greg

[GTX]

Having given this idea more thought, I'm tending towards a stretched canopy based around 2 F-8 canopies joined together and using a Me-210/410 rear gun arrangement.

Regards,

Greg

[r16]

ı would say the mk 103 should go in the wingroot place of the 20mm guns and any necessary bulk should go on the upper wing to clear the landing gear ; historically the tested underwing position was not usable.

[GTX]

Here's another idea that came to me last night - some twin engined Fw-190s/Ta-152s:

Take a standard aircraft and remove the engine (replacing it with radar/guns or whatever) and then put an engine on each wing to create a Zerstörer - much like the twin engined P-40 or kitbasher's recent Supermarine Spartan (see http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,17698.0).

I figure a Fw-190A series could look a bit like a XF5F-1 or related:



Whereas a Fw-190D series or Ta-152 derived one would be much sleeker - almost whirlwind style.

Regards,

Greg

[r16]

ı saw this in the back pages

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,7296.0/prev_next,prev.html#new

[GTX]

Here you go - a further, iteration in this two seat dedicated Ju-87 replacement:



A bit crude, but it should help to illustrate the idea.

Regards,

Greg

[r16]

well , just a coincidence but I have this Me-410 canopied " sort of a 190 " thing

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[Daryl J.]

North American takes over Focke-Wulf operations as a war reparation and uses the D-9 as it's base for the F-82 instead of the Mustang.


The radiator of the Ta-152H transfers to either the under belly or the leading edges of the wing allowing a bullet shaped nose profile and gets used for a high altitude reconaissance aircraft by the French until 1956 and the Spaniards until 1960.   The US Navy uses a version with folding wings and a hook in Korea.

Leica sponsors a Ta-152C in the Race d'Euro Aire.



,
Daryl J.

[GTX]

Something different - though not as attractive as the original I believe:



Regards,

Greg

[ysi_maniac]

Quite attractive, indeed. But, the radiator?

[GTX]

Quite attractive, indeed. But, the radiator?

Always with the radiator!   I was hoping no-one would notice, but here you go:



Regards,

Greg

[tanktastic43]

That is one good looking airplane. 

[sotoolslinger]

Well you know I have several left over Stang noses, but the D-9 is too pretty already to do that to.I was thinking more along the lines of a D-9 with swept wings or a jet. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

[GTX]

Well you know I have several left over Stang noses, but the D-9 is too pretty already to do that to.I was thinking more along the lines of a D-9 with swept wings or a jet. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

It was actually a 152 derivative, but still.  BTW, I did a jet conversion of one here.

Regards,

Greg

[sotoolslinger]

Cool ,how bout a swept wing