BAe P.1216 book

[PR19_Kit]

Having now read the book twice a couple of things interested me.

About half the proposed P.1216 variants have their nosewheel on the centre-line, but the others have them offset to starboard a short distance. Was this because an ex-HS Trident designer was on the design team or was there a more technical reason? 

The second interesting item was the proposed AEW variant with the longer straighter wings  . Apart from the wings I can't see any differences to a 'standard' P.1216, so how and where was the radar to be fitted, and was there a second (or even third) crew member hidden away somewhere?

[Thorvic]

Having now read the book twice a couple of things interested me.

About half the proposed P.1216 variants have their nosewheel on the centre-line, but the others have them offset to starboard a short distance. Was this because an ex-HS Trident designer was on the design team or was there a more technical reason? 

The second interesting item was the proposed AEW variant with the longer straighter wings  . Apart from the wings I can't see any differences to a 'standard' P.1216, so how and where was the radar to be fitted, and was there a second (or even third) crew member hidden away somewhere?

You may need the next book in the series by Chris Gibson called "Admirality AEW" but i think the general idea was using conventional carrier aircraft flying higher and using the better radar view data fed back to the ship for processing. So when do you start building it Kit ?

[PR19_Kit]

So when do you start building it Kit ?

You read my mind. 

Isn't the only P.1216 kit out of production now though? I'd hate to try and scratchbuild it, but I bet Duncan could. 

[Thorvic]

So when do you start building it Kit ?

You read my mind. 

Isn't the only P.1216 kit out of production now though? I'd hate to try and scratchbuild it, but I bet Duncan could. 

Except Duncan doesn't like the P1216 as much as other types, but Martin may still have some resin bits left such as booms. I will have another look at doing the P1216 again as the extra info from Mike should help fill some of the shape issues that were hard to decipher when i built them a good few years ago. Would like to get them done in 1/700 as would look good on an Invincible or a CVF 

[kitnut617]

Except Duncan doesn't like the P1216 as much as other types, but Martin may still have some resin bits left such as booms. I will have another look at doing the P1216 again as the extra info from Mike should help fill some of the shape issues that were hard to decipher when i built them a good few years ago. Would like to get them done in 1/700 as would look good on an Invincible or a CVF 

Looks like I have a book to get, as I have one of Martin's kits and had wondered how the shape is under the wings.  Martin did tell me it was a 'grey' area of the kit though.

[harrier]

About half the proposed P.1216 variants have their nosewheel on the centre-line, but the others have them offset to starboard a short distance. Was this because an ex-HS Trident designer was on the design team or was there a more technical reason?  

The reason was to allow it to retract into the side of the intake when using a twin-wheel unit. This was in all the main versions (from -6 onwards). Some version like the -50 had a single nosewheel that could lie flat under the intake.

The second interesting item was the proposed AEW variant with the longer straighter wings  . Apart from the wings I can't see any differences to a 'standard' P.1216, so how and where was the radar to be fitted, and was there a second (or even third) crew member hidden away somewhere?

There are SLAR radar pods under the wings. The AEW book will cover it too, but it was just a quick study as those big wings and a narrow Invincible deck would not mix!

[Martin H]

Just cancelled my long delayed Amazon order, and ordered direct from Mike.

[Thorvic]

Its not just P1216 Dunc  , there are some of the counter proposals from Warton that will appeal to you .....

G

[Mossie]

Just cancelled my long delayed Amazon order, and ordered direct from Mike.

Likewise.

And another, got hacked off with Amazon.

[Freightdog862]

Got mine direct from Mike yesterday, very quick service. Its purely for personal consumption you know....
Colin

[James]

Had a quick flick through when I was in the Ian Allan Bookshop in Brum on Monday. It does look very well done. Will pick one up next time I'm down there.

[Mossie]

I got mine a couple of days, cheers Mike!   I've had an extended flick through with a read of a few random bits, looks like an in-depth coverage of the project, fantastic stuff.

[Hobbes]

Amazon still doesn't have them 

[Martin H]

Just cancelled my long delayed Amazon order, and ordered direct from Mike.

My copy direct from Mike arrived on Tuesday

Got mine direct from Mike yesterday, very quick service. Its purely for personal consumption you know....
Colin

...if you say so...  

How very un subtle, but Colin kindly take the hint LOL

[PR19_Kit]

Amazon still doesn't have them 

As Mike said more than a week ago now, they actually do have them, but for some obscure reason they're sitting on them. I gave that as the reason I cancelled my order, but naturally got no response.

One day 'Big Business' will realise it has to provide customer service or else we'll all go elsewhere.....