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Started by Weaver, August 12, 2009, 08:02:33 PM

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Barry Krell

60lb rockets against a battleship gunturret armour?  Doubt it, even AP rounds.  Don't forget that that turret would be built to withstand hits by 10in shells.  A raid by Grand Slam equipped Lancs would be the best bet, as a near miss would ensure that the beast would end up in the crater.  I'd like to see the Bergepanzer that could pull that one out.
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Quote from: Barry Krell on August 16, 2009, 03:25:45 PM
60lb rockets against a battleship gunturret armour?  Doubt it, even AP rounds.  Don't forget that that turret would be built to withstand hits by 10in shells.  A raid by Grand Slam equipped Lancs would be the best bet, as a near miss would ensure that the beast would end up in the crater.  I'd like to see the Bergepanzer that could pull that one out.

Grand Slam was not designed for use against mobile targets.
Using 617 and big Wallis bombs would be a waste of resources.

500lb AP bombs would do the trick as it is not necessary to hit the turret, or as stated use rockets on the tracks and suspension.
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Quote from: Barry Krell on August 16, 2009, 03:25:45 PM
60lb rockets against a battleship gunturret armour?  Doubt it, even AP rounds.  Don't forget that that turret would be built to withstand hits by 10in shells.

This is not really true. The Panzerschiffes were cruisers, not battleships. They had relatively thin armour - 160mm on the turret faces, and probably less on the roof. This is comparable to heavy tanks, and would certainly be vulnerable to AP rockets and bombs.
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Quote from: Barry Krell on August 16, 2009, 03:25:45 PM
60lb rockets against a battleship gunturret armour?  Doubt it, even AP rounds.  Don't forget that that turret would be built to withstand hits by 10in shells.

While using the battleship / panzerschiffe / cruiser / battlecruiser turret, it would have to be cut down in weight. No way would they be able to fit the same armour as the naval counterparts. It would simply be too heavy. The engines, tracks, wheels etc. would all be limited at some point, no matter how great the quality.  A ship just rests in the water, and does not have to climb hills.
60lb AP rockets would do the job. They don't even have to hit the turret. The engine deck would be even more vulnerable that the turret. One hit to the engine(s?) and/or possibly the fuel tanks would spell the end for this beast. It would burn uncontrollably. The rear would be very vulerable too.

NARSES2

Whilst agreeing that it's a bit of dead end as far as development goes (especially given the German's situation at the time) can you imagine the initial psychological impact this thing would have had  :blink:
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What I don't get about this design is what did they want it to fight against? What target could justify lobbing a 28cm shell at it? Against everything but ships it'd be overkill. Granted, you could use it against defensive installations such as forts and bunkers, but those could be taken out by much smaller, cheaper, more mobile artillery units.
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I suppose it would be used for artillery support. Don't forget how usefull the allied battleships were just after D-day.

Quote from: NARSES2 on August 18, 2009, 01:50:51 AM
Whilst agreeing that it's a bit of dead end as far as development goes (especially given the German's situation at the time) can you imagine the initial psychological impact this thing would have had  :blink:

It would be like the Bismarck. The allies would fear it like notihng seen before. When it would then be destroyed, it would be a giant loss to the German army.


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Quote from: Barry Krell on August 16, 2009, 03:25:45 PM
60lb rockets against a battleship gunturret armour?  Doubt it, even AP rounds.  Don't forget that that turret would be built to withstand hits by 10in shells.  A raid by Grand Slam equipped Lancs would be the best bet, as a near miss would ensure that the beast would end up in the crater.  I'd like to see the Bergepanzer that could pull that one out.

I never said penetrate the armour, I said throw a track or jam a turret.

QuoteDon't forget how usefull the allied battleships were just after D-day

Not just D-Day, they were invaluable at Anzio in destroying German counter-attacks.

QuoteWhat I don't get about this design is what did they want it to fight against? What target could justify lobbing a 28cm shell at it? Against everything but ships it'd be overkill. Granted, you could use it against defensive installations such as forts and bunkers, but those could be taken out by much smaller, cheaper, more mobile artillery units.

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Quote from: B787 on August 18, 2009, 06:42:06 AM
I suppose it would be used for artillery support. Don't forget how usefull the allied battleships were just after D-day.

Quote from: NARSES2 on August 18, 2009, 01:50:51 AM
Whilst agreeing that it's a bit of dead end as far as development goes (especially given the German's situation at the time) can you imagine the initial psychological impact this thing would have had  :blink:

It would be like the Bismarck. The allies would fear it like notihng seen before. When it would then be destroyed, it would be a giant loss to the German army.



Fear it? More likely they'd be paralyzed by fits of uncontrollable laughter.