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Water Bomber/ Air Tankers alternative aircraft projects

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JayBee

#30
October 20, 2009, 01:46:43 PM
Whatever happened to the idea of converting A-10's to water bombers?
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elmayerle

#31
October 20, 2009, 04:56:31 PM
Personally, I'd always wished the LAFD had some A-10 fire bombers they could've used to deal with the fires after the Rodney King verdict.  Though I suspect an engine upgrade wouldn't go amiss.  Given the weight of water, perhaps some structural upgrades, too?
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#32
October 30, 2009, 08:41:21 AM
The BAe 146/Avro RJ as an aerial tanker/water bomber.
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Weaver

#33
October 30, 2009, 10:59:03 AM
Quote from: McColm on October 30, 2009, 08:41:21 AM
The BAe 146/Avro RJ as an aerial tanker/water bomber.

Dual-role VVIP/water bomber: drop the Royal Family on the fire........ :wacko:
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lancer

#34
October 30, 2009, 01:25:41 PM
Quote from: Weaver on October 30, 2009, 10:59:03 AM
Quote from: McColm on October 30, 2009, 08:41:21 AM
The BAe 146/Avro RJ as an aerial tanker/water bomber.

Dual-role VVIP/water bomber: drop the Royal Family on the fire........ :wacko:

I was thinking more along the line of the current government.......Or would all the hot air they spew just cause more trouble?
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#36
October 31, 2009, 06:06:24 AM
Quote from: JayBee on October 20, 2009, 01:46:43 PM
Whatever happened to the idea of converting A-10's to water bombers?

I think the USAF found a use for the A-10 ;D

The Rat

#37
October 31, 2009, 07:49:28 AM
Can't believe I missed this thread, flying boats are kind of a 'thing' with me. Dad was a Sunderland pilot so that may explain it. You can find a recent 'what if' water bomber model and write-up here.

A good resource is scalefirebombers.com. Unfortunately it hasn't been updated in a while but there are still people hanging out there, I was able to get some information from one of them a couple of months back.

I like the idea of a t-prop Sunderland, it's been on my list for years. I might even convert it to 2 engines instead of 4, or that could be a variant. Another possible double-whiff would be a water bomber variant of my first flying boat conversion, article here.
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Weaver

#38
October 31, 2009, 12:43:28 PM
Quote from: B787 on October 31, 2009, 06:05:41 AM
Quote from: McColm on October 30, 2009, 08:41:21 AM
The BAe 146/Avro RJ as an aerial tanker/water bomber.

And i give you ;D

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-%28Tronosjet-Maintenance%29/British-Aerospace-BAe-146-200A/1602382/L/&sid=fb143df96fd966bbc6d9181f3cd38eb2

Cheers - hadn't heard of that!  :thumbsup:

Good use for the aircraft: the four engines make it relatively safe for low-level ops and the STOL capability means it can get into little airfields in the back of beyond.
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Chris707

#39
November 22, 2009, 08:47:53 AM
A patent for A-10 firefighting mods:

http://www.dataviewbooks.com/warthogfire.html


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upnorth

#40
November 23, 2009, 12:26:42 PM
An idea might be Jetstream 31s if there are any still about.


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Mossie

#41
October 21, 2014, 10:37:58 AM
Holy thread resurrection Batman and all that.  Thought I'd add my own list:

Curtiss SC-1 Seahawk (useful bomb-bay in the in float, never really worked but I'm sure a hammer and welding gun would sort that out)
Dornier Do-228 (probably not, the undercarriage isn't ideally placed)
Dornier Do.28 Skyservant
DH Mosquito
Bristol Beaufighter
Grumman Widgeon
Blackburn Buccaneer?!?  (Why not???)
Fairey Gannet (Anything the Tracker can do...)
Transall C-160
Sukhoi Su-25 (if the A-10 can, why not the Frogfoot?)
Britten Norman Islander (Smoke Jumpers)
Short Skyvan
Short 330/Sherpa (think they've been used for Smoke Jumpers)
Douglas Skyraider (especially the A-1E and other side-by-side seaters)

Going Jons idea of a purpose built Water Bomber, basically a baby CL-415 but without the transport capability?  Grumman Widgeon sized, all water tank.
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PR19_Kit

#42
October 21, 2014, 10:54:48 AM
A Mosquito? It'd warp from the inside out.  ;D
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McColm

#43
October 21, 2014, 12:20:12 PM
But if it was built from marine plywood it would last slightly longer.
The Atlas might work or you could tow a glider filled up with water or fire retardant. Aim for the middle of the fire and release
The  Convair R3Y Tradewind would make a great fire/water bomber.

Mossie

#44
October 21, 2014, 03:29:55 PM
My thoughts for the Mossie would be a separate tank in the bomb bay.  For whiff (not to mention  :ph34r:) purposes, an unobtainium lining would sort out any problems with leaks and condensation. :thumbsup:

I think the Jetstream mentioned earlier would be an excellent platform for Air Attack.

Short Shetland would be good, a monster flying boat like the Martin Mars. Shame there's no model.  I agree with the Tradewind.
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