Proditor's Perpetually unfinished Navies

proditor · October 23, 2009, 07:09:51 AM

No major updates. I threw together a Type 42 to serve as the Hercules. I figured they weren't going to let the new Belgrano run around alone. I'll try and grab some pics this weekend as I should be ready to start PSR on the Belgrano's aft section.

Weaver · October 23, 2009, 07:52:42 PM

Quote from: proditor on October 23, 2009, 07:09:51 AM
No major updates. I threw together a Type 42 to serve as the Hercules. I figured they weren't going to let the new Belgrano run around alone. I'll try and grab some pics this weekend as I should be ready to start PSR on the Belgrano's aft section.

First time through, I read that as: "they weren't going to let the new Belgrano run aground alone."

Nice ships Proditor, although I doubt the RN would be too fond of that Belgrano......

Sauragnmon · October 23, 2009, 10:56:43 PM

Not a bad idea all together, just remember to put the Exocets on your '42s as well. I've got a few myself that are going to be modified in various incarnations.

proditor · October 24, 2009, 09:11:33 PM

Weaver: Yeah, I think they're going to intensely dislike the Belgrano. S'okay though, I have a secret project brewing for the Brits.

Sauragnmon: Ayup, though putting pairs on either side of the stack does a pretty good job of showing that Skywave pooched on the Exocet. They fit...sort of.

Last bit for tonight, I took a pic of the Shipyard when I was finished puttering around and wet sanding the Belgrano's butt. I should have the Airbrush and the Painting station within the month, so hopefully I'll actually finish some of these!! (Oh, and don't mind all the Deep Ones and Sharkmen, they're for something else entirely.)

Sauragnmon · October 24, 2009, 10:44:06 PM

That they do... they look almost like the size of RBS-15 boxes instead of Exocet boxes really. I plan on doing one with the Exocets just because, and with Breda 40's on the chaff deck for a CIWS mounting. But yeah, I agree, Skywave botched the size of the Exocets, just like a few other weapon systems really.

Weaver · October 25, 2009, 02:02:25 AM

Just had a look at the Exocet issue: the Exocets which Airfix added to their 1/600th Type-21 kit as an update are smaller than the allegedly 1/700th ones on the Skywave weapon sprue......

You could always carve the ribs off the Skywave ones and call them Otomat Mk.1s, although you could probably make the latter from scratch from square section Evergreen.

Thorvic · October 25, 2009, 02:24:36 AM

Quote from: Weaver on October 25, 2009, 02:02:25 AM
Just had a look at the Exocet issue: the Exocets which Airfix added to their 1/600th Type-21 kit as an update are smaller than the allegedly 1/700th ones on the Skywave weapon sprue......

You could always carve the ribs off the Skywave ones and call them Otomat Mk.1s, although you could probably make the latter from scratch from square section Evergreen.

Actually they are better being swapped, Pitroad Exocet on 1/600 ships ans Airfix ones on 1/700 ships !!

Thorvic · October 25, 2009, 02:36:35 AM

BTW Prod with the Belgrano, i would move the aft Phalanx up a deck or on to the hanger as the dont have a clear line of fire withe the Exocet in front

Doh

that should read move the Phalanx up a deck if possible

Weaver · October 25, 2009, 04:32:13 AM

Quote from: Thorvic on October 25, 2009, 02:36:35 AM
BTW Prod with the Belgrano, i would move the aft Exocets up a deck or on to the hanger as the dont have a clear line of fire withe the Exocet in front

Can't really see what you mean there, to be honest.

What does strike me is:

a) It needs a serious blast deflector to stop the Exocet exhaust washing over the flight deck.

b) The Phallanx guns inboard of the Exocets have got lousy arcs. I'd be inclined to put one right aft on the hanger roof, and the other one somewhere forward. As an alternative, this being a damn big ship, you could also mount them much higher than usual, although you'd have to think about how ready-use ammo, and the deckhands to load it, get up to them.

anthonyp · October 25, 2009, 08:15:41 AM

Is that an Independance class CVL that's getting an angled deck?! DANGIT!!! Stop reading my mind!! I'm going to (eventually) do the same thing to the one in my stash, and been contemplating getting a Bogue class CVE off evil bay to do the same thing to

And would ya finish up that Sprucan through-deck!

Joe C-P · October 25, 2009, 07:39:10 PM

Busy, busy drydock, something I like to see.

In addition to the Exocets, you should turn around the Harpoons on the panzerschiff; take a look at how they are mounted on USN Spruance class DDs, so that they exhaust over the water.

But that's just nit-picking. You're doing great!

Sauragnmon · October 25, 2009, 08:25:25 PM

I didn't even notice the Panzerschiffe there Joe - good point, though all together I probably would have put the Harpoons on the fantail deck - Unless you're going for a Transom Stern mod to turn it into a helipad/hangar like a Kirov on drugs, there's not much else you could put there, really. Tempts me to get another Panzerschiffe just to do that. I dunno though. Lots of ideas one could go into with that. If it weren't in just resin I'd love to do a Modernized Roma too, that'd be a monster of a ship to do.

Thorvic · October 26, 2009, 12:22:15 AM

Quote from: Sauragnmon on October 25, 2009, 08:25:25 PM
I didn't even notice the Panzerschiffe there Joe - good point, though all together I probably would have put the Harpoons on the fantail deck - Unless you're going for a Transom Stern mod to turn it into a helipad/hangar like a Kirov on drugs, there's not much else you could put there, really. Tempts me to get another Panzerschiffe just to do that. I dunno though. Lots of ideas one could go into with that. If it weren't in just resin I'd love to do a Modernized Roma too, that'd be a monster of a ship to do.

Trumpeter Richelieu the French battle ship that was refitted in the US during the war, leave the main guns and then modernize the stern and the superstructure clutter

Weaver · October 26, 2009, 02:24:32 AM

Quote from: Thorvic on October 26, 2009, 12:22:15 AM
Quote from: Sauragnmon on October 25, 2009, 08:25:25 PM
I didn't even notice the Panzerschiffe there Joe - good point, though all together I probably would have put the Harpoons on the fantail deck - Unless you're going for a Transom Stern mod to turn it into a helipad/hangar like a Kirov on drugs, there's not much else you could put there, really. Tempts me to get another Panzerschiffe just to do that. I dunno though. Lots of ideas one could go into with that. If it weren't in just resin I'd love to do a Modernized Roma too, that'd be a monster of a ship to do.

Trumpeter Richelieu the French battle ship that was refitted in the US during the war, leave the main guns and then modernize the stern and the superstructure clutter

Good idea: that hanger setup would make a good basis for a horizontally-loading SAM such as Terrier or Talos (or Masurca if you can get one, of course)...

proditor · October 26, 2009, 07:37:00 AM

I haven't been happy with the harpoons on the Panzerschiffe at any point, so moving them to the stern may fix that. I kept having launch arc issues with them, or they dipped into the fire arc of the OTO's. It would also give some space to put in a bigger mast array for the radar. For a reasonably big ship, I'm finding space at a bit or a premium on that one.

So the long term plan...

Finish Belgrano, Hercules, and an ASW escort as the Argentine force.

Finish the Carrier, the twins, and an ASW escort as Velezuelan Navy.

Finish the three unseen as yet ships as the ASW stomping force from Chile.

Figure out who made the Panzerschiffe.

Finish the Spruance. (This one is really just waiting on the airbrush to arrive as I've given up on the idea of casting hulls).

After that's all done, I'm going to get REALLY serious.

EDIT: Oh, and I added some inserts under the CIWS. They're at roughly roof level now, so they have clear arcs over the exocets. I do need to cobble in a blast deflector at either end of the flight deck for those last pair of missiles however...