Miles M-52

[Martin H]

Wonder what the placards will say under all those Concordes now in US museums? 'Economic Disaster', 'Environmental nightmare', 'Should've bought Boeings'

Who cares...After all we got there first    

[Martin H]

Heres the latest shot

[Mairfrog]

Hmmm,    looks a right death-trap! Never would've worked.

Great model BTW, how about doing a Bristol 188 to go with it? B)  

[Martin H]

how about doing a Bristol 188 to go with it? B)

Why? the only thing they lernt fron the 188, was never build another stainless steel aircraft.

[elmayerle]

How about a "proper" T.188 with decent engines?  A pair of Iroquois anyone?

[Mairfrog]

Abso-feckin-lutely! Iroquois could have powered the first TSR 2 as well, if it weren't for those meddling Yanks. Stupid Diefenbacker.

The 188 is a another crazy British prototype, it has a similar faux-naiif aerodynamic charm.  ^_^

[elmayerle]

Abso-feckin-lutely! Iroquois could have powered the first TSR 2 as well, if it weren't for those meddling Yanks. Stupid Diefenbacker.

*Chuckle*  I know that.  I helped with the research and proofing of Avro Aircraft and Cold War Aviation   I wonder what how an Iroquois-powered F-105 would do?  Would it, other than Canadian color scheme and markings look any different from a USAF one?  ALternatively, the RCAF buys the F-107 and re-engines it with the Iroquois when it loses out to the F-105 (*G* some old NAA folk have told me some interesting stories about that, too.

[lancer]

ALternatively, the RCAF buys the F-107 and re-engines it with the Iroquois when it loses out to the F-105 (*G* some old NAA folk have told me some interesting stories about that, too.

Let me guess Evan, it's calssified an you can't tell us right??? Grrrrrrrr      

[elmayerle]

Actually, it's unclassified and I can tell, just wasn't certain if folks were interested.

[Ollie]

Evan, when something is not classified, tell us, we're always interested.

When it's classified, tell us too, we are still interested.

[elmayerle]

Evan, when something is not classified, tell us, we're always interested.

When it's classified, tell us too, we are still interested.

*Laughs* I know better than to spread info I shouldn't.  There's some I shared with one party here simply because it was copied out of JDW rather than controlled material I used to have access to.

As to the story regarding the F-107 and the  F-105, the story I heard goes that in the early 1950's, the Air Material Command spent a bunch of money on a new, very large forge for doing complete fuselage frames in one forging.  The F-105 made considerable use of this but the F-107 made no use of it and the AMC would not have looked good if the F-107 had won over the F-105, so...you know who did get the contracts.

Oh, for what it's worth, I do think that the proposed production F-23 would have had far fewer technical problems, in some ways, than the F-22 has had.  Northrop's design was sufficiently manueverable that it didn't need vectoring nozzles.  It also won, from the data I saw, most of the technical aspects of the competitive fly-off.  It also had tandem weapons bays which would allow a much easier conversion to attack/strike ops. - especially if you but in a moveable divider between bays much as the B-1B has.

[lancer]

Oh, for what it's worth, I do think that the proposed production F-23 would have had far fewer technical problems, in some ways, than the F-22 has had. Northrop's design was sufficiently manueverable that it didn't need vectoring nozzles. It also won, from the data I saw, most of the technical aspects of the competitive fly-off. It also had tandem weapons bays which would allow a much easier conversion to attack/strike ops. - especially if you but in a moveable divider between bays much as the B-1B has.

I always thought that there was spmething funny aboput the way Lockhed got the contract, as Northrops F23 was/is a far superior machine in my opinion. Way prettider looking as well.