No promises..... F I N I S H E D !!

[lancer]

Happy Birhtday Ian!! Hope you did well in the exams.

[Brian da Basher]

Many happy returns on your special day, Mr Hunter-Gatherer. I hope you got everything you wanted and then some! Best of luck when the exam results are posted. I hope they make you Chief or Admiral or whatever the title is...

And Greg, many thanks for the Penguin Army poster. Some of us can never get enought penguins!

Brian da Basher

[Ian the Kiwi Herder]

Thanks folks, that's very 'sweet' of you all 

Well the insides are painted, and just need bringing together, I would have done that yesterday, but I was setting-up and playing with my birthday present..... a cordless keyboard for my PC - Thanks Mrs. Hunter-Gatherer, and also working on my Scorpion FAW.2 (on the 'in-progress' thread if anybody is interested). Pics very soon, "I pwomise"

Ian

[Ian the Kiwi Herder]

Fuselage halves are together, and the wee thing has followed me into work tonight so I'll me attacking it with the filler later-on..... unless something happens, like the odd maritime disaster or something 

Ian

[Mossie]

Pics very soon, "I pwomise"

Three days later & no pics, you've been hanging with Radish too long!  Step away from the suspenders.....

[lancer]

Pics very soon, "I pwomise"

you've been hanging with Radish too long!  Step away from the suspenders.....

You DO relaise the scary (read horrific) image that this statement conjors up don't you??  Going native is one thing, but this!!!! Oh the nightmares.....

Oh and pictures would be nice as well, of the models I mean

[Ian the Kiwi Herder]

Although I have never worn suspenders, I have often admired women who do..... and I married a couple of them too   - Progress is being made, you'll just have to (keep) trusting me  

Ian

**EDIT**

Here ya go !!




Looks almost 'effite' alongside the big ugly F-89 doesn't it ?



Some self explanatory pics now:











See, told you to trust me 

[Radish]

Suspenders...oh the joy....

[Dork the kit slayer]

Birthday........................oops..................................catch it next year........................................if I can be arsed.

Your really really bestist mate.

[PR19_Kit]

Ian,

Smart looking aeroplane that Rafale, good choice.

On a technical point, does it use the inner sections of the wing trailing edge as elevators and the outer sections as ailerons, or are the inner sections used as flaps?

I notice you have modelled them both depressed, but then it also has a canard foreplane too. Flapped deltas are pretty rare, and impossible to fly without some some sort of 'elevator' to sort out the trim issues AFAIK. But of course the Rafale has all the bits that are needed.

[Ian the Kiwi Herder]

Mornin Kit
The outer flaperoneythingymawottzitz are moulded with the slightest of droops, I've scored through the inner ones to drop them a wee bit more. On the real thing I couldn't tell you, as I honestly don't know the subject well enough. There's probably folks here who do, and will be pointing out my possible error in due course 

Ian

[PR19_Kit]

Ian,

I have no doubt you're correct there, we'll be BURIED in information on flapped deltas before long. 

I just had a trawl through the various aviation piccie sites, trying to find piccies of Rafales on approach to see if they are flapped or not, but no joy. The things are always nose high of course, and festooned with tanks and weapons and stuff that get in the way.

I'm working on a model and backstory that requires some serious input on exactly that front, which is why it was uppermost in my mind when I read your post.

Love the flaperoneythingymawottzitz terminolgy though, that's a technical aviation term, no doubt? 

[A tad later] Me and my mouth, just found the pic below.

It looks as if all four trailing edge surfaces are deflected together, but whether thay are acting as flaps or elevons is difficult to tell. The foreplanes are well pitched up (perhaps as the pilot's flaring to engage the hook?) and the AoA is pretty steep, which would mitigate against the wing flaperoneythingymawottzitz acting as flaps I'd have thought.

[Mossie]

See, told you to trust me 

Never doubted you for a minute!

[Ian the Kiwi Herder]

See, told you to trust me 

Never doubted you for a minute!

Yes you did 

Ian

[Weaver]

[A tad later] Me and my mouth, just found the pic below.

It looks as if all four trailing edge surfaces are deflected together, but whether thay are acting as flaps or elevons is difficult to tell. The foreplanes are well pitched up (perhaps as the pilot's flaring to engage the hook?) and the AoA is pretty steep, which would mitigate against the wing flaperoneythingymawottzitz acting as flaps I'd have thought.

Okay, I'll bite.....

The wing flaps and flaperons are all deflected downward to increase lift, so yes, they're acting as flaps: if he had leading edge droops, they'd be down too. Of course, on a pure delta this produces a nose-down pitch, which is why they can't do it, since the only thing they have to use as an elevator is the same length of training edge. However a canard delta can use it's canards as elevators, so it gets away with it. You can see how hard the canards are working in the pic....

This means that Ian's model is right. The amount of deflection might be a bit much for a powered-up aircraft (although I don't actually know), but then it might be one of those aircraft where the flaps gradually droop after it's parked as hydraulic pressure bleeds off.