New supply ship for the Dutch Navy

[Hobbes]

This is an artist's impression of the Hr. Ms. Karel Doorman, which will replace the Hr. Ms. Amsterdam. The ship is called a 'joint support ship', in addition to at-sea replenishment it will be able to support amphibious landings with a large helicopter deck and hangar, parking space for tanks and other vehicles, and accomodation for troops.



I haven't seen this combination of RAS and assault support before. We'll have to see if this compromise/combination works in practice.

[pyro-manic]

Looks like a bit like a Bay class with some extra gubbins. Is it another joint Dutch/Spanish design, like their current LPDs?

[B777LR]

Looks like a Bay class and an Albion class had a late night out

[Hobbes]

The Bay class and the Dutch LPDs are all based on the Enforcer design of the Damen/Schelde shipyard. Some of the Enforcer design will be reused for this ship.

[Captain Canada]

Beauty ! Looks like enough room on the deck for SHARs !

[Spey_Phantom]

cool, kinda makes me jaleous, why do the dutch always get such nice toys and as belgians (with about the same budget) get stuck with secondhand junk 

would have been nice to see it with a flushed deck like most amphibious assault ships (HMS Ocean, LHD's, Cavour,..)

[dy031101]

Beauty ! Looks like enough room on the deck for SHARs !

Give it an angled runway in a similar style as this and voila.

Reminds me, too, of an ancient (about a decade old) talk between me and a CF guy during a job fair in my high school.  He speculated that one of the roles the Canadian JSS is expected to undertake is the support of Allied/NATO Harrier forces.  I guess a lot has changed since then.

But then again I AM confused as to what has become of our own JSS project......

[Silver Fox]

Canada's JSS is dead... all bidders were rejected after it was found that the required 3 hulls could not be provided within the available funds.

http://www.casr.ca/bg-joint-support-ship.htm

JSS only really makes sense for a nation that already has AOR types and amphibs anyway... JSS can then be tasked to fill whatever holes are created by refit or training cycles. It just assumes the role of whatever isn't available. Canada has no replacement for the old AOR types... and no 'phibs, JSS was just a wild dream to get 'somethng' to do 'everything'. 

[PR19_Kit]

Beauty ! Looks like enough room on the deck for SHARs !

Always assuming there were any SHARs of course............ 

[Captain Canada]

Give it an angled runway in a similar style as this and voila

Oh my Dog ! That is just beautiful ! Nice find....I dug thru there a few years back looking for something like that. Way cool. Needs a ramp, tho.

[Captain Canada]

Canada's JSS is dead... all bidders were rejected after it was found that the required 3 hulls could not be provided within the available funds.

There's pipe dreams, and then there's pipe dreams....we can't even afford to crew or fuel a fleet as it is.....

[Captain Canada]

Always assuming there were any SHARs of course............ 

There will always be SHARs ! Or should I say, there should always be SHARs. Unless, of course, you want to blow your whole defence budget on a half-baked wanna-be that should be stealing the spotlight from the A400 anyday now....

[pyro-manic]

The problem is, these ships don't have hangars or aircraft lifts, so there is nowhere to repair or maintain aircraft. The Bay-class often sail with a temporary hangar on the flight deck, but it's only big enough for one helicopter. Trying to fly SHars or Dave off one would not be practical in any way, through-deck or no.

[dy031101]

Well skijump ramps can still cut into space for helicopter landing spots- perfectly okay for bigger through-deck ships like the Invincible CVLs or the various new European carriers, but not so much for the JSS-class ships whose flight decks only cover at most 2/3 of their lengths.

Canada's JSS is dead... all bidders were rejected after it was found that the required 3 hulls could not be provided within the available funds.

There's pipe dreams, and then there's pipe dreams....we can't even afford to crew or fuel a fleet as it is.....

I know Wikipedia might not be an up-to-date source, but isn't there supposed to be a new, cheaper design submitted in...... like last year?

The problem is, these ships don't have hangars or aircraft lifts, so there is nowhere to repair or maintain aircraft.

If the vehicle deck can be re-configured into a hanger (I don't suppose LHDs can operate as both a Harrier carrier AND a troop carrier at the same time, either?)...... the ships would still need deck lifts, of course.

[Silver Fox]

It was the 'new, cheaper' JSS that was rejected for Canada. The CDN JSS was to have hangar space for the chopper compliment and mantenance of choppers from the accompanied destroyers and frigates.