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AvBrD 1150 Altantic MR.1 Coastal Command 1965ish

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February 07, 2010, 03:25:02 PM Last Edit: February 17, 2010, 03:00:33 AM by TallEng
Pull up a Lantern and swing the sandbag and I'll tell you a story......
The Christmas before last I bought my son a Revell Atlantic 1 in 1/72, which after he finished it quite impressed me, so...
Later on that year whilst waiting for SWMBO (shopping for important things!) I was browsing the local toy shop, when I found a
The Revell Atlantic "MFG 3 Anniversary" kit at HALF PRICE! so without further ado I bought it for the stash and thought nothing more.
Much later on (whilst researching Neptune's and Shackletons) for my Privateer project, I came upon the interesting fact (to me) that
Avro had been a partner with Breguet, Sud Aviation, Fokker and Dornier to build the winner of the NATO competition to replace the Privateer (Neptune in RW)....
So Assuming that Avro had settled its unhappiness with the Honeycomb sandwich construction adopted by the French, and convinced their Airships that twin turboprops were as good if not better than four pistons....
They decided to knock the Shackleton MR.3 on the head and start a fresh with a design which would (warning! heresy about to be committed!) :o beat the "Shack" hands down.
If you'd like to know why I think that I can recommend "Avro's Maritime Heavyweight The Shackleton" by Chris Ashworth, when you read about the MR.3's development woe's, you'll probably see where I'm coming from and wonder why they did what they did!
Anyway, Assuming all of the above and Accelerating the timings a bit (For NATO decisions etc) I could see a version of the Atlantic entering Coastal Command service in late 1961 (about four years adrift of what C-inC coastal Command wanted) but therefore he would have got a much more capable Aircraft, and one with room for "Growth" which the MR.3 never had despite Avro's best Attempts, It never really got much better than the MR.2!!
So with out further ado and no real attempt at a back story,
I Submit the evidence by which I should be tried! (I'll Plead Insanity!)
The Pic's








This unfortunately gave me another Idea.....
What if Avro had seen the need for a Medium sized European battle field transport with short field performance?
See "Alternate Andover" for the answer!

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TallEng

#1
February 17, 2010, 03:06:48 AM
Quick update, Just need to add the "Fiddly" bits,
Aerials, undercarriage, Torpedo`s, etc.



Still wondering if I should have added twin 20mm cannon`s instead of the plain "goldfish bowl" nose observers position







Comments and critics welcome :cheers:
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hurricanemk1c

#2
February 17, 2010, 04:37:32 AM
2 x20mms would be great!

Good progress so far, looking forward to the result!

chrisonord

#3
February 17, 2010, 05:19:29 AM
Couldn't agree more  :wacko:
20 mm cannons are the way to go, perhaps you could make a blister with some in and put it on the forward fuselage somewhere?
Chris.
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kitnut617

#4
February 17, 2010, 07:23:20 AM
You could go like how the Shackleton MR.1 did, the cannon were in blisters on either side of the nose window. These cannon could move in the up-down direction only.
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TallEng

#5
February 18, 2010, 02:38:54 PM
After some thought I've come up with a trial installation for the 20mm cannon fit :thumbsup:
The biggest headache was that I wanted to keep some clear view panels at the front of the A/C,
anyway after a bit of a root around in the spares box, I came up with this.







The top two thirds of the clear part will be 'plated over' or painted, leaving the bottom third as an observation window
comments etc appreciated
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GTX

#6
February 19, 2010, 12:19:05 PM
I like it!

Regards,

Greg
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

kitnut617

#7
February 20, 2010, 08:10:50 AM
Quote from: B787 on February 20, 2010, 02:40:09 AM
Whats that thing on the back? Are you gonna fit a rotating dish?

It's one of these Thomas:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Avro_Shackleton_Mk.3_SAAF.jpg
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GTX

#8
February 20, 2010, 12:18:33 PM
Isn't it the  Orange Harvest ESM system.

Regards,

Greg
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TallEng

#9
February 21, 2010, 02:47:50 AM
GTX is right :thumbsup:
its supposed to represent the Orange Harvest ECM mast as seen on later mark Shackletons.
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TallEng

#10
February 21, 2010, 01:08:15 PM
Little update showing terrible paint work :banghead:
and 20mm cannon fitted. :thumbsup:
Thanks for the encouragement to add them guys!


The replacement nose glazing came from the front turret of the Privateer, for those
that like to know that sort of thing <_<

Head on it doesn't look much different to a normal Atlantic.
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Jeffry Fontaine

#11
February 21, 2010, 03:54:44 PM
I like the nose gun turret idea and appreciate seeing it actually done up and on the model.  Is there a left and right range of motion/field of fire for this turret or is it like the Shackleton and limited to up and down only? 
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TallEng

#12
February 21, 2010, 11:19:20 PM
Its just like the Shackleton, its limited to up and down. (there is very little space for the cannon breeches to move left and right!)
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McColm

#13
July 18, 2010, 08:52:02 AM
Great project. :thumbsup:

Captain Canada

#14
July 20, 2010, 08:48:04 AM
Looks great...but you'd better fill that Spitfire glass before the whole thing topples over !

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