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Started by lancer, May 21, 2003, 08:00:22 AM

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PR19_Kit

Yes, it's exactly that, says so in the article.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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Mossie

I don't think it's nice, you laughin'. You see, my mule don't like people laughin'. He gets the crazy idea you're laughin' at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

scooter

Quote from: PR19_Kit on July 18, 2024, 02:59:40 AMPlus a whole lot about lots of proposed RAAF variants

A Lightning in ARDU Fanta can would be a headscratcher at shows :wacko:
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kitbasher

Quote from: PR19_Kit on August 14, 2024, 12:40:43 PMYes, it's exactly that, says so in the article.

I've got the book and that edition of 'Aeroplane' and the latter's RAAF Lightning article I felt differed ever so slightly.
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thundereagle1997

An EE P.8 with 2 EJ200s a cranked arrow double delta wing canard foreplanes & a bubble canopy would be a great idea for a modern
robust simple fighter.

Mossie

Quote from: PR19_Kit on August 14, 2024, 10:26:47 AMPresumably they assumed the RAAF were thinking of getting a tanker or two?

But the Mirage III was hardly the longest ranged fighter of its time, was it?

The RAAF did seriously consider the Starfighter as well, (twice I believe, F-104A and F-104G). Like the Lightning, I believe there were mods to improve the range, an Avon being one. Trouble was, there wasn't much available at that time that was supersonic with long range that the RAAF could afford.
I don't think it's nice, you laughin'. You see, my mule don't like people laughin'. He gets the crazy idea you're laughin' at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

zenrat

Quote from: Mossie on August 15, 2024, 03:08:38 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on August 14, 2024, 10:26:47 AMPresumably they assumed the RAAF were thinking of getting a tanker or two?

But the Mirage III was hardly the longest ranged fighter of its time, was it?

The RAAF did seriously consider the Starfighter as well, (twice I believe, F-104A and F-104G). Like the Lightning, I believe there were mods to improve the range, an Avon being one. Trouble was, there wasn't much available at that time that was supersonic with long range that the RAAF could afford.

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Fred

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Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

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scooter

Quote from: zenrat on August 15, 2024, 04:16:25 AM
Quote from: Mossie on August 15, 2024, 03:08:38 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on August 14, 2024, 10:26:47 AMPresumably they assumed the RAAF were thinking of getting a tanker or two?

But the Mirage III was hardly the longest ranged fighter of its time, was it?

The RAAF did seriously consider the Starfighter as well, (twice I believe, F-104A and F-104G). Like the Lightning, I believe there were mods to improve the range, an Avon being one. Trouble was, there wasn't much available at that time that was supersonic with long range that the RAAF could afford.

Yak 28-P?
Only for Victoria
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Pellson

What's the currently best book about the English Electric/BAC Lightning, it's development and service? I can feel a void in my library..
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The Wooksta!

The two Stewart Scott volumes are long regarded as the best you'll get but are very rare, hard to find and VERY expensive when you do.  EBay is asking upwards of 200 notes for Volume 1.

The Tony Wilson book, Lightning: Genesis & Projects is good for the Project stuff.  Relatively cheap. 
Roger Lindsay's Aircraft Illustrated Special: Lightning gives histories of all airframes. 
There's a Dick Ward book on the squadrons which is good but hard to find.  Some nice photos.

The SAMI Datafile is ok, but given that it's by Richard Franks I would expect his usual half arsed efforts - the Mosquito one was full of assumptions, half truths and downright falsehoods, none of which were corrected for his Valiant Wings efforts and compounded by even more downright lies!
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Quote from: The Wooksta! on October 26, 2024, 09:12:39 AMThe two Stewart Scott volumes are long regarded as the best you'll get but are very rare, hard to find and VERY expensive when you do.  EBay is asking upwards of 200 notes for Volume 1.

The Tony Wilson book, Lightning: Genesis & Projects is good for the Project stuff.  Relatively cheap. 
Roger Lindsay's Aircraft Illustrated Special: Lightning gives histories of all airframes. 
There's a Dick Ward book on the squadrons which is good but hard to find.  Some nice photos.

The SAMI Datafile is ok, but given that it's by Richard Franks I would expect his usual half arsed efforts - the Mosquito one was full of assumptions, half truths and downright falsehoods, none of which were corrected for his Valiant Wings efforts and compounded by even more downright lies!
Quote from: The Wooksta! on October 26, 2024, 09:12:39 AMThe two Stewart Scott volumes are long regarded as the best you'll get but are very rare, hard to find and VERY expensive when you do.  EBay is asking upwards of 200 notes for Volume 1.

The Tony Wilson book, Lightning: Genesis & Projects is good for the Project stuff.  Relatively cheap. 
Roger Lindsay's Aircraft Illustrated Special: Lightning gives histories of all airframes. 
There's a Dick Ward book on the squadrons which is good but hard to find.  Some nice photos.

The SAMI Datafile is ok, but given that it's by Richard Franks I would expect his usual half arsed efforts - the Mosquito one was full of assumptions, half truths and downright falsehoods, none of which were corrected for his Valiant Wings efforts and compounded by even more downright lies!

Thanks, Lee. Much appreciated.

I did find Scott's volumes, but it's about £700 for both, and while they would be jolly nice to have, I think that's just a tad too much..  :o
will probably look for Wilson's book, but it seems that it's only available from the UK, meaning a further 30% in tax on the total, so I might just hang on for a bit to see if someone not having gone AWOL from the EU will sell theirs..  :rolleyes:
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NARSES2

Quote from: Pellson on October 26, 2024, 02:21:50 PMwill probably look for Wilson's book, but it seems that it's only available from the UK, meaning a further 30% in tax on the total, so I might just hang on for a bit to see if someone not having gone AWOL from the EU will sell theirs..  :rolleyes:

Would you get taxed even if it was sent over by a private individual ? Especially as we are coming up to Yuletide. If not I could try and get a copy and send it over.
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Pellson

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Quote from: NARSES2 on October 27, 2024, 07:35:02 AM
Quote from: Pellson on October 26, 2024, 02:21:50 PMwill probably look for Wilson's book, but it seems that it's only available from the UK, meaning a further 30% in tax on the total, so I might just hang on for a bit to see if someone not having gone AWOL from the EU will sell theirs..  :rolleyes:

Would you get taxed even if it was sent over by a private individual ? Especially as we are coming up to Yuletide. If not I could try and get a copy and send it over.

Thank you for your kind offer. Looking into the matter, it seems that clearly declared gifts, being of a value less than £43, are exempt from customs. To qualify, there must be attached documentation stating what's inside, what value it is and that it is a private gift. Things were definitely easier before Brexit..  :angel:

Having painted the first layer on the Lightning canopy, I also attached the refuelling probe and decided that the guns had to go as the space (and weight) would have been better used for electronics when upgraded, as per the F.3. Accordingly, I glued in some sprue into the gun ports, filed of and puttied over, and then sanded until smooth. Also, the Firestreak pylons have been attached, meaning there's not much physical work left. I'll post a bad photo over in the project thread. 😉
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NARSES2

Quote from: Pellson on October 27, 2024, 08:27:54 AMThank you for your kind offer. Looking into the matter, it seems that clearly declared gifts, being of a value less than £43, are exempt from customs. To qualify, there must be attached documentation stating what's inside, what value it is and that it is a private gift. Things were definitely easier before Brexit..  :angel:


Right do you want me to see if I can sort it out for you ? If so I'll try and pick one up at Telford, if I can't get one there, then I'll get it via the Web. Value is gong to be a lot less then £43. Not sure about postage costs though.
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Pellson

Quote from: NARSES2 on October 28, 2024, 06:36:04 AM
Quote from: Pellson on October 27, 2024, 08:27:54 AMThank you for your kind offer. Looking into the matter, it seems that clearly declared gifts, being of a value less than £43, are exempt from customs. To qualify, there must be attached documentation stating what's inside, what value it is and that it is a private gift. Things were definitely easier before Brexit..  :angel:


Right do you want me to see if I can sort it out for you ? If so I'll try and pick one up at Telford, if I can't get one there, then I'll get it via the Web. Value is gong to be a lot less then £43. Not sure about postage costs though.
If you can, I'd love it. And as long as the receipts/documentation provided to the freighter/customs state a value less than £43, then that isn't really any solid limit to what I can PayPal you. :)
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