Junkers D1

Started by Caveman, July 12, 2010, 02:57:59 AM

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Caveman

Hey guys, I am away from home and to keep me company I have brought a Roden Junkers D1. I wanted to do something slightly wiffy with it (mainly because at 1:72 I would dread having to do the lozenge camo!

Any ideas?
I am considering doing it in a dirty aluminium finish (cause I have those paints with me) but there is a model shop 5 mins walk from here :) so open to suggestions.
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puddingwrestler

Well the obvious and cliche answer is of course to paint it up in Red Baron colours. But I think it'd look dandy in WW2 Luftwaffe splinter camo, or painted up in Spanish civil war colours, or just runa direct paint scheme switch with a Polikarpov I16
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I think Royal flying Corps green on top & doped linen undersides. Corrugations, What corrugations :rolleyes:

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NARSES2

I think the dirty aluminium would look interesting and different
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Caveman

I think i will stick with the dirty aluminium. I am going to try to scratch a spinner and also some bolt on plate armour on the underwing under pilot and fuel tank and on the fuselage sides by the pilot.

Whadda ya think?
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Doc Yo

 I don't think you ought to be put off by lozenge cammo-there's an awful lot of ready made decal patterns
out there, and I'm not sure the D1 ever flew in lc, anyway. I've never seen it depicted in anything other
than the green/purple scheme.

You could give it a proper canopy and a becker cannon, though. ;D

GTX

How about one used by one of the other European countries in the '20s - say Poland maybe?

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Greg
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Caveman

Quote from: Doc Yo on July 12, 2010, 12:46:24 PM
I've never seen it depicted in anything other than the green/purple scheme.

the prototype did.


someone over on armorama did one in 48 as the prototype
http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=2890

Basically being away from home I dont want to order stuff or buy anything extra (but i might). I have pretty much got the sprues, some putty and what ever I have got lying around that I can nab/find.

A polish set of decals, I might be able to paint...
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GTX

Maybe something like this Fokker:



Regards,

Greg
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NARSES2

Quote from: Caveman on July 12, 2010, 12:39:36 PM
I think i will stick with the dirty aluminium. I am going to try to scratch a spinner and also some bolt on plate armour on the underwing under pilot and fuel tank and on the fuselage sides by the pilot.

Whadda ya think?

I think that would look like a good late war field modification, enough to confuse some  :thumbsup: Polish from the Soviet/Polish war would look good as well, but for ease of building considering your away I'd stick with your aluminium proposal  ;D
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Caveman

Ok, so for some reason I thought that the fuel tanks were located in the wing but having seen this photo which shows the wing structure.

(from here http://www.aeroscale.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=109015&ord=0&page=2 )

I am not so sure. So could anybody shed some light on this? Does anybody know where the fuel tanks are located on the D1?
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jcf

Flight for April 15, 1920 has an extensive technical description of the D1, however, the aircraft examined
did not have petrol tanks in place.

Relevant text from the Flight article:

"Petrol System
It is probable that two separate petrol tanks were carried
in the centre section, one on either side. They must have
been accommodated in the triangular space between the
bracing tubes. In Fig. 6 there may be seen a flat steel strip,
bent round, with its two ends connected by a turnbuckle.
This indicates that the tanks were probably cylindrical in
form. The fact that the bracing tubes, which would be in
contact with the tanks, are bound with coarse fabric tends
to confirm the placing of the tanks."



BTW the photos in the Aeroscale bit are from the Flight article.

Part 1 (goes from page 376 - 380)
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1920/1920%20-%200376.html


Part 2 (goes from page 394 - 396)
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1920/1920%20-%200394.html


Part 3 (goes from page 419 - 422)
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1920/1920%20-%200419.html

Jon

Caveman

Wow! Thank you very much for that reference! That will be most useful. I shall compile them into a single pdf for ease of reference. If anybody would like a copy pm me.
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Caveman

Attached is a side view of what I propose as the mods then.
Yellow is going to be the external plate bolted on as armour (made from that fairly stiff clear plastic packaging, specifically in this case the packaging that araldite comes in). There will also be some on the lower surface of the wing between the wheels to protect the fuel tanks and pilot.
Blue is a scratch built 12.5kg P.u.W. bomb that I happened to find a dimensioned drawing for, there will be one under each wing just outboard of the wheels (its going to be tiny and probably off scale... so sue me :D )
What are peoples opinions on arming the d1 with bombs?
and black is a scratch spinner.

If I have the patients and inclination I may try to use the clear plastic for some extra glazing... we will see.

Now to actually put knife and glue to plastic...  :rolleyes:
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NARSES2

Bearing in mind the D.1 was passed over in the pure fighter role then I think arming it with light anti-personnel bombs for the ground attack role is a good one. 4 bombs rather then two would be a more meaningfull load or maybe two bombs and a container for flechetes which could be released over columns of marching infantry ? Flechetes were used in the early stages of WWI so they could make an appearance once the action moved out of the trenches again ?
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